high fence whitetail

[cuerro viejo]

anyone high fence hunt on here? looking for some suggestions on a high fence whitetail hunt

Decide if you want native or introduced, and Ask for referral before booking.

 

[Shō[t]gun]

You mean like states having two different elk tag prices? one for quality, one for standard unit? What about Min number of paid for PP before you are even eligible to draw in a “random”

This isnt about conservation or fence by your definition its that people have the ability to buy land.

If I owned a big ranch and posted my deer LF or HF you would have same argument, difference is I would have spent exponentially more than any paid hunter per animal. So Im worse than them. I paid millions to hunt.

Still no high fences keeping those elk in the premium unit.

The ability to buy land is irrelevant to the act of putting up a 8’ tall fence to restrict animal movement and individually selling off deer at an inch-to-dollar increment that are legally the property of the state/people. Standard leases (low fence) are a completely different thing for the most part. Anything could show up if you manage it right, and if you screw it up they could all leave.

 

[cuerro viejo]

What is your point? 3k acres is roughly 3x the size of bucks home range that means the fence is real likely to impact where most bucks set up a home range. Dispersal would be significantly impacted vs not having a high fence. If it wasn't people wouldn't be spending over a half million $ to build a fence for such a place.

That causes at least 8.6 miles of fence blocking wildlife from natural movement. Not just owner of HF but for all of the owner's neighbors as well.

I already stated earlier most fences are to stop yearling dispersal in, not out. Of course a HF affects the fringe deer movement, its a deterrent, and thats its purpose

Ive also been in a helo netting deer and can tell you, they stick to a traditional area, It’s not like chasing an elk thats will head 8 miles away to another mountain when bumped.

The biggest issue with HF is the smaller breeder type put and take places that have given everyone a preconceived notion. Its unfortunate because I've seen some pretty significant animal health improvement in areas where the native genetics arent capped by extreme densities, and by doing so are harder to hunt and target

 

[wind gypsy]

I already stated earlier most fences are to stop yearling dispersal in, not out.

Why is that? Is it a genetic/nutritional potential thing?

 

[cuerro viejo]

Still no high fences keeping those elk in the premium unit.

The ability to buy land is irrelevant to the act of putting up a 8’ tall fence to restrict animal movement and individually selling off deer at an inch-to-dollar increment that are legally the property of the state/people. Standard leases (low fence) are a completely different thing for the most part. Anything could show up if you manage it right, and if you screw it up they could all leave.

No its called the lack of the need to migrate. You make it sound like people dont watch bulls grow old and have significant history with them.

Its about money to you, you said it yourself. Tons of LF ranches you can buy via the inch.

I know LF deer leases that produce 200WT every year, $25-30k a year for a spot.

I know LF elk ranches you have opportunity at 370-400+

Ironically its cheaper to kill HF them LF.

 

[wind gypsy]

No its called the lack of the need to migrate. You make it sound like people dont watch bulls grow old and have significant history with them.

Its about money to you, you said it yourself. Tons of LF ranches you can buy via the inch.

I know LF deer leases that produce 200WT every year, $25-30k a year for a spot.

I know LF elk ranches you have opportunity at 370-400+

Ironically its cheaper to kill HF them LF.

Not ironic at all that it costs more to get a free range animal to that size. This thread probably wouldn't exist if that weren't the case.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Why is that? Is it a genetic/nutritional potential thing?

its more control on density and ratio’s. Whitetail’s aren't prolific breeders. Most bucks regardless of age are breeding 2 or less does a year, so contrary to belief you are really aren't controlling genetics. Now some ranches will capture a buck put him in a pen with 10–15 does they caught, let him bred them and then turn them all out again. Thats only way to influence genetics that are currently there. You have to gene swamp, or eliminate and introduce higher base line genetic.

There are places in TX that have a deer per 5 acres or less. when “100 Bucks” made comment about 120lb deer, thats what he is talking about. You take a ranch HF it, cut the herd back to 1 deer per 20-30 acres and all the sudden with time you have 200lb plus deer.

Thats the vast majority of HF, they lesson densities, switch herd ratios from 1 buck to 6 does to 1:1 or 1:2 and improve age class and you get bigger bucks, and a better overall ecosystem

 

[cuerro viejo]

Not ironic at all that it costs more to get a free range animal to that size. This thread probably wouldn't exist if that weren't the case.

its Ironic that 100 Bucks hates the monetization of HF yet LF is exponentially more expensive.

 

[MuleyFever]

Whitetail’s aren't prolific breeders. Most bucks regardless of age are breeding 2 or less does a year...

Please post your source on this.

 

[Shō[t]gun]

its Ironic that 100 Bucks hates the monetization of HF yet LF is exponentially more expensive.

“100 Bucks” sounds like a real dork lol
But if you read his name and comments you’ll realize he also specified that the capture of wild game is the sticking point.
LF doesn’t capture the animals.

its more control on density and ratio’s. Whitetail’s aren't prolific breeders. Most bucks regardless of age are breeding 2 or less does a year, so contrary to belief you are really aren't controlling genetics. Now some ranches will capture a buck put him in a pen with 10–15 does they caught, let him bred them and then turn them all out again. Thats only way to influence genetics that are currently there. You have to gene swamp, or eliminate and introduce higher base line genetic.

Sounds like you’ve got a lot of skin in the game for this subject. How is none of this considered wildlife harassment?

 

[100percent]

Still no high fences keeping those elk in the premium unit.

The ability to buy land is irrelevant to the act of putting up a 8’ tall fence to restrict animal movement and individually selling off deer at an inch-to-dollar increment that are legally the property of the state/people. Standard leases (low fence) are a completely different thing for the most part. Anything could show up if you manage it right, and if you screw it up they could all lea

“100 Bucks” sounds like a real dork lol
But if you read his name and comments you’ll realize he also specified that the capture of wild game is the sticking point.
LF doesn’t capture the animals.

Sounds like you’ve got a lot of skin in the game for this subject. How is none of this considered wildlife harassment?

How much is a hunt for a bull like that in your avatar??? No fence preference! Plenty of cash!!! Have gun, Jeep, whiskey and hookers! Please PM immediately!

 

[Shō[t]gun]

How much is a hunt for a bull like that in your avatar??? No fence preference! Plenty of cash!!! Have gun, Jeep, whiskey and hookers! Please PM immediately!

I’m sure the nearby ranch would charge $100k+ for that one. But this guy took on a Chevy 2500 and lost by the golf course where he spent his days only being bothered by stray callaways.

 

[Kurts86]

Calling high fence operations “hunting” is like calling MD 20/20 “wine”. It’s a hunting like experience.

If someone is unwilling to accept the uncertainty and variables inherent in hunting they need to move on to something different. If you can’t live with the idea your neighbor might shoot a buck that sometimes lives on your property and mess up the bloodline then maybe dog shows and exotic flower breeding should be your hobby.

The biggest problem with high fence hunting is that the 95% of non hunters confuse it with the guy on a DIY public land elk hunt. It’s a PR problem for hunting on the whole even though it’s legally regulated by agriculture agencies, not wildlife agencies.

High fence operations shift the wildlife out of the public trust and into a privately held resource like in Europe or Africa. It runs completely counter to the North American Model of conservation and that alone disqualifies it as hunting.

 

[jimh406]

Calling high fence operations “hunting” is like calling MD 20/20 “wine”.

I’ve never tried MD 20/20 either.

 

[cuerro viejo]

“100 Bucks” sounds like a real dork lol
But if you read his name and comments you’ll realize he also specified that the capture of wild game is the sticking point.
LF doesn’t capture the animals.

Sounds like you’ve got a lot of skin in the game for this subject. How is none of this considered wildlife harassment?

No, it was pay for inch, which you stated doesnt happen on LF leases, and it absolutely does.

My ranch is 100% low fence, I have never owned a HF place. I do have friends that do and I have helped manage a few places.

I also started as wildlife sciences major, hence why I have helped with aerial deer capture.

 

[cuerro viejo]

Please post your source on this.

11 year study on King ranch. I’ll have to dig for direct link or PDF

Average successful buck sired <3 fawns a year. Which is bred 1-2 does.

Most prolific ever was 6 fawns in a single year so 2-4 does.

Rut’s not indefinite and with courtship and competition its hard to surpass that.

There is a reason why DMP pens is the preferred practice here and Mexico to gene swamp local herds.

 

[Shō[t]gun]

No, it was pay for inch, which you stated doesnt happen on LF leases, and it absolutely does.

My ranch is 100% low fence, I have never owned a HF place. I do have friends that do and I have helped manage a few places.

I also started as wildlife sciences major, hence why I have helped with aerial deer capture.

You really need to start quote pasting these words you're putting in my mouth. Go back and read the comments. I didn't say it doesn't exist on low fence, and I didn't even know that it would for a standard year deer lease.

But still, ranchers are allowed to capture state owned wildlife for the purposes of selective breeding?

 

[cuerro viejo]

You really need to start quote pasting these words you're putting in my mouth. Go back and read the comments. I didn't say it doesn't exist on low fence, and I didn't even know that it would for a standard year deer lease.

But still, ranchers are allowed to capture state owned wildlife for the purposes of selective breeding?

I did you get you confused, My apologies.

Every state is different TX, yes, other states you have to depopulate and then can introduce.


I think HF can be valuable tool in southern non migratory state when managed correctly, especially in high density areas. I don't think its a great western or migratory animal tool. Im not a huge fan of breeders or introduced genetics,

 

[100percent]

Calling high fence operations “hunting” is like calling MD 20/20 “wine”. It’s a hunting like experience.

If someone is unwilling to accept the uncertainty and variables inherent in hunting they need to move on to something different. If you can’t live with the idea your neighbor might shoot a buck that sometimes lives on your property and mess up the bloodline then maybe dog shows and exotic flower breeding should be your hobby.

The biggest problem with high fence hunting is that the 95% of non hunters confuse it with the guy on a DIY public land elk hunt. It’s a PR problem for hunting on the whole even though it’s legally regulated by agriculture agencies, not wildlife agencies.

High fence operations shift the wildlife out of the public trust and into a privately held resource like in Europe or Africa. It runs completely counter to the North American Model of conservation and that alone disqualifies it as hunti

I’m sure the nearby ranch would charge $100k+ for that one. But this guy took on a Chevy 2500 and lost by the golf course where he spent his days only being bothered by stray callaways.

Well damn! If the neighbor had a better fence, I could have brought the aforementioned items and we could have had a hell of a time while stimulating the economy by at least $100K (plus your tip of course)!

I say all that tongue in cheek but, there are a lot of true hunters out there that do both fence hunts in TX followed by diy hunts out west or maybe 3 weeks in an Alaskan tent followed by a crazy whitetail season at home on public and/or private land! High fence hunting on large properties in the TX, at least, can be quite challenging. The bucks are or certainly can be just as crafty and elusive on their sub 400 acre home range inside the 10000 acre “boundary/fence. Not my thing but, who am I to criticize? I don’t use a long bow or a slingshot but, does that make me a worse “hunter”?
Opinions, preferences and perspectives are different! Getting crossed up and squabbling about it on here or anywhere is a joke!

Guy asked a simple question and has received a whole lot of bullshit! Probably the worst site in the whole wide world of sports to ask questions on that subject but, I digress…. Rant over!

 

[Mike D Texas]

Calling high fence operations “hunting” is like calling MD 20/20 “wine”. It’s a hunting like experience.

If someone is unwilling to accept the uncertainty and variables inherent in hunting they need to move on to something different. If you can’t live with the idea your neighbor might shoot a buck that sometimes lives on your property and mess up the bloodline then maybe dog shows and exotic flower breeding should be your hobby.

The biggest problem with high fence hunting is that the 95% of non hunters confuse it with the guy on a DIY public land elk hunt. It’s a PR problem for hunting on the whole even though it’s legally regulated by agriculture agencies, not wildlife agencies.

High fence operations shift the wildlife out of the public trust and into a privately held resource like in Europe or Africa. It runs completely counter to the North American Model of conservation and that alone disqualifies it as hunting.

What state are you speaking of that HF ranches are regulated by agriculture agencies and not wildlife agencies?


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