Here I thought Ryan Lamper was one of the good guys for the hunting world…

[Pacific_Fork]

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Where in the regulations is an OTC tag good for December in unit 21?

Unit 28 has it. Which is where he said he shot the buck, but wardens have him pinned shooting in 21. Allegedly.

 

[Wprinkle]

So it's exactly what I summarized it to be plus the out of season kill you've pointed out. Assuming it wasn't grossly out of season, I don't see how this rises to the level of a lifetime ban???

Does not matter if is 10 minutes or 10 weeks out of season.. Dates and times are clearly defined.

 

[ThorM465]

In a court of law, yes.

That's patently incorrect. That's why the judge is given a range of punishments that they can enforce.

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Where in the regulations is an OTC tag good for December in unit 21?

What is your problem? Why are you attacking the guy for what was most likely an honest mistake (assuming you're correct here)? Why can you not just provide the dates and help him better understand why he got it wrong.

Care to elaborate? I don't understand your opinion on the dates.

I simply think there is a difference in shooting an animal 48hrs outside of season and 6 months out of season. Why am I wrong to think that?
I recognize that established seasons are important. I also recognize that the exact day it starts and stops is a bit arbitrary.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Unit 28 has it. Which is where he said he shot the buck, but wardens have him pinned shooting in 21. Allegedly.

I'm well aware, that's why he's being charged. If there was zero evidence that the deer had been killed in 21 he wouldn't be charged with that crime.

 

[Nickofthewoods]

I agree! I hope he gets what he actually deserves and nothing more. I also hope the Stukachi get what they deserve in this life or the next.

Well considering you think people who don't return shopping carts to the corrals deserve the electric chair, I'm curious to hear what punishment you think is befitting of a poacher.

 

[WeiserBucks]

What is your problem? Why are you attacking the guy for what was most likely an honest mistake (assuming you're correct here)? Why can you not just provide the dates and help him better understand why he got it wrong.

I'm not attacking anybody, I posted the dates for everyone to see.

I simply think there is a difference in shooting an animal 48hrs outside of season and 6 months out of season. Why am I wrong to think that?
I recognize that established seasons are important. I also recognize that the exact day it starts and stops is a bit arbitrary.

This deer was allegedly killed 2+ months after the season had closed.

 

[Customweld]

I'd argue that yes it does.

How so? ." It's only a little bit closed, I think it will be ok". Seems a bit..... off.

 

[BBob]

Maybe I should start a new thread for this but I'll just ask. For those of us that follow/see influencer types, do you need them to get a big animal every year, or is it enough to know they are a good hunter and some years you just don't get anything?

I don't need to see Robby shoot a 200" buck every year to still believe he's a great mule deer hunter and knows what he's doing.

That’s the jist of it right? Robby is very likely in it for himself and his own drive to hunt and be successful. These influencers and outfitters are not. They have succumbed to their egos desires and the pressure of having to succeed and most importantly to woo dollars out of the system.

“Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.” – 1 Timothy 6:9

 

[wowzers]

It was open to late archery though. Just pointing that out.

Unit 28 was, Unit 21 where they allege he shot the deer wasn't.

 

[tipsntails7]

I'd argue that yes it does.


I apologize if me trying to bring nuance to this discussion has offended and exceeded your intellectual capacity for critical thinking.
All criminal actions are not deserving of the maximum punishment. I don't understand how that's controversial.

Brother, I am honestly at a loss for words with your takes on this subject., and I am starting to think your actuating trolling this subject now. This isn't a 12 year old catching a crappie with live bait in an artificial lure only pond. This isn't a teaching moment due to youth or an accident.

This is an adult, who actively poached multiple animals. it doesn't matter if it was 1 day, 5 days, 5 months after its closed, the season is closed pretty simple.

It wasn't an "accident". based off your responses I am assuming you have never been to this section of Idaho, but it impossible to start hunting in either of the units and stumble into the other. set aside the amount of technology available, and this " seasoned" hunter shouldn't need it anyway, there is a full on river and highway separating the two units. 21 is north, 28 is south.

There is no nuance to be had, the regs are in black and white for all to see, its not hard to follow them.

 

[MTMOTO]

Do I understand this correctly, he had tags for the game within the state. However, he killed them in a different unit than the tag was issued?
If this is correct, those calling for a lifetime ban deserves every bad thing that ever happens to you. This is a crime deserving of a stiff fine at worst. What am I missing?

Let's say in Montana, just because you have a general tag, doesnt mean you should be able to go into 380 and shoot a boone and Crockett caliber animal.. that's poaching. And like most people saying on here.. shouldn't be a slap on the wrist. Its time to make examples out of these guys. (If found guilty)

 

[Pacific_Fork]

I'm well aware, that's why he's being charged. If there was zero evidence that the deer had been killed in 21 he wouldn't be charged with that crime.

Correct. I think we are agreeing and know the regs here. He might have been hunting with a bow during an open archery season and shot the buck in the wrong unit. And willfully is my guess, because that little crick called the Salmon.

 

[180ls1]

Its time to make examples out of these guys. (If found guilty)

Respectfully, I would counter that he should be treated justly. Our GOVT should not be making examples out of people.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Correct. I think we are agreeing and know the regs here. He might have been hunting with a bow during an open archery season and shot the buck in the wrong unit. And willfully is my guess, because that little crick called the Salmon.

Agreed. I've been in both units and its impossible to mistake one for the other.

 

[ID_Matt]

House is listed for sale on Zillow as well.

 

[IDVortex]

Respectfully, I would counter that he should be treated justly. Our GOVT should not be making examples out of people.

I disagree. When youre in a position to be able to make a influence over folks, or have the spot light more on you vs a regular Joe blow, you should also realize you better be crossing your t's and being honest.

With how some folks are trying to argue the justification or why he shouldn't be that severely punished. I presume you think the same way with L/E, politicians, teachers?

This thread blew up faster than a wildfire in the last hour. And I think im going to have to agree with @Jason Snyder and leave it alone.

These are the threads where I make great personal notes to not ever hunt with some folks. I'd never want to hunt with someone who doesnt have the same respect to law as I do. Or who won't hold themselves or myself accountable.

'OH everyone does it' 'no one will know about it'.

 

[Clark33]

House is listed for sale on Zillow as well.

He's fleeing to Mexico... Sonora Mule Deer videos incoming

 

[steelheadmike]

House is listed for sale on Zillow as well.

Gotta say, it looks like a nice spread.


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[280Ackley]

How do you guys find fake facebook accounts and his house?!?!

 

[stalkingwolf]

I think the rokscast should have gritty and ol lampers on.