Here I thought Ryan Lamper was one of the good guys for the hunting world…

[wnelson14]

I don't personally know Lampers so I'm not defending him. I will however counter the idea he's automatically a dirt bag poaching influencer.

I've been around long enough to know anyone is capable of anything, including LEO's. LEO's are human too and have biases and personal views that affect the view of their job.
I have witnessed game officers try to make a crime out of literally nothing multiple times. I have other people I trust who have either gone to court and won or were under investigation that amounted to nothing because they did nothing. In that case, the apology or ruling of innocence is never as public as the accusal.

I'm not saying every game officer or LEO is bad or corrupt, but it just takes one to ruin someone.

For the sake of argument, Idaho code 36-202 designates any "mule deer buck over 150" BC" qualifies as a "trophy" for the purposes of restitution. Also the greater score of typical or non-typical is used to determine that score.
That makes ANY decent muley buck a potential "trophy" prosecution.

So if the game officer got one little thing to justify an investigation, he gets phone data. let's says there are locations in AND out of the open unit on the same day. phone data doesn't prove where an animal was actually killed or why he was there.
If ALL the GPS data is in a closed unit, that's different.

Is it illegal to glass into a open unit from a closed unit?

I know they probably have video they can compare to topography but it better be air tight.

Even though it's "innocent until proven guilty" now it's on Lampers to prove it.

IDFW going for max fine and felony charges smells like making an example of an out of state "influencer". It doesn't take much to find similar game convictions in Idaho where Joe Schmo got the minimum fine, probation and community service with hunting/fishing suspension being the heaviest penalty.

So why aren't there other people with charges against them that were there as well?

Like others have said, he struck me as the least likely to break the law.

If he did it, so be it.
I just get sick of the pitchfork mob reaction every time someone with a some notoriety gets accused.

You’re not wrong, but deleting all social media, becoming an alias on Facebook market place to dump gear from your sponsors, getting scrubbed from other sponsors, smells of guilt, but innocent untill proven guilty.

 

[thinhorn_AK]

I'm well aware.

But is everybody else??? that's the real question. If what you are stating is a fact than everything else in these threads is jus noise.

 

[Bugger]

Now were going after each other and calling out each other as fathers.......come on guys, this will be locked in 3, 2....


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Pretty sure that’s Thor’s goal here

 

[ThorM465]

Are you for real? So in other words poaching a trophy deer, wolf and mountain lion are not serious game violations to you?

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt assume that you just read it wrong.

If not, and you actually think that you’re the type of people that don’t need to be out in the hills representing hunters.

Do you not recognize a difference in someone who hunts out of season or a game animal they don't possess a tag for within that season and someone who hunts the next unit over from the unit they have a tag for? Do you really think both of these deserve the same penalty?

 

[alexnelon]

Why would a guy delete all his accounts, sponsorships, and entire footprint on the internet over a trumped up charge from an overzealous warden?

Gives Enron paper shredder vibes.

 

[Jimmy]

You’re not wrong, but deleting all social media, becoming an alias on Facebook market place to dump gear from your sponsors, getting scrubbed from other sponsors, smells of guilt, but innocent untill proven guilty.

If his hunting career is over, then I bet he moves back to WA and gets back into fishing.

 

[ThorM465]

Short version is that he's charged with killing a deer where no season was open. I'm not going to write a book about the fraud charges but he's basically charged with lying to F&G about kill location to collect a larger $$ bounty.

I missed the first part. How far out of season are we talking? I caught the last part. He's accused of collecting $2k fraudulently. If convicted I could see a $6k to $10k fine at worst as punishment. If you disagree what should it be and why?

 

[Clark33]

Do you not recognize a difference in someone who hunts out of season or a game animal they don't possess a tag for within that season and someone who hunts the next unit over from the unit they have a tag for? Do you really think both of these deserve the same penalty?

All 3 of those scenarios is exactly what hes charged for.
1.) He allegedly shot a deer out of season.
2.) He did not posses a tag for the unit said deer was allegedly shot in.
3.) It was allegedly the unit next to the unit he actually had a tag for.

LOL

 

[WeiserBucks]

Do you not recognize a difference in someone who hunts out of season or a game animal they don't possess a tag for within that season and someone who hunts the next unit over from the unit they have a tag for? Do you really think both of these deserve the same penalty?

There's different dates for different units and weapons. If someone kills something in a closed unit and tells everyone they killed it in an open unit we call that poaching.

 

[wowzers]

Do you not recognize a difference in someone who hunts out of season or a game animal they don't possess a tag for within that season and someone who hunts the next unit over from the unit they have a tag for? Do you really think both of these deserve the same penalty?

You're proving my point. The unit he allegedly killed the deer in was closed.

 

[ThorM465]

Why would a guy delete all his accounts, sponsorships, and entire footprint on the internet over a trumped up charge from an overzealous warden?

Could easily be bad legal advise. Typically when you're facing prosecution lawyers will essentially advise you to become a ghost as I understand it.

If the season was closed then all the other "what if" things going on don't really matter.

That's fair. However, the punishment should be different if we're talking days outside of season verses hunting at a time period where the game is more vulnerable. No?

 

[velvet muley]

Do you not recognize a difference in someone who hunts out of season or a game animal they don't possess a tag for within that season and someone who hunts the next unit over from the unit they have a tag for? Do you really think both of these deserve the same penalty?

He’s literally accused of killing a 175” deer in a unit that was closed for the season. Not to mention the wolf and cat charges.

I’m pretty sure that would be classified as a serious poaching violation.

 

[Customweld]

I missed the first part. How far out of season are we talking?

Does it matter?! A closed season is closed season.

 

[WeiserBucks]

But is everybody else??? that's the real question. If what you are stating is a fact than everything else in these threads is jus noise.

I think many folks in this discussion aren't familiar with ID F&G regulations and they're basing their statements on opinion versus knowledge.

 

[dirtshooter]

I'm surprised dudley or Hanes haven't been caught up in anything yet. Content content content. Need the content for the business.

 

[180ls1]

Why would a guy delete all his accounts, sponsorships, and entire footprint on the internet over a trumped up charge from an overzealous warden?

This is actually common practice. Why do people plead the 5th or not let LE search their car/home without a warrant?

Same line of thinking.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

You're proving my point. The unit he allegedly killed the deer in was closed.

It was open to late archery though. Just pointing that out.

 

[ELKdeerMT]

Teach my sons that the state determines character??? I don't think so.

If its that simple then why can you not explain it here simply? I don't have time to go become an expert on Idaho units. Why should I not be able to ask those guys to explain this in what would actually only take 2 minutes?

Yep, are you capable of understanding it? Would you mind helping me understand what I'm missing?

Do you not write well?

No, it's very possible. However, nothing here demonstrates that. You're obviously the intellectual superior, so why don't you school me on why this is deserving of the proverbial death penalty.

I'm lost on what your confused about. The only thing I can take from this is you've taken the position "state say it bad, so it bad." I tried to break it down in layman's terms and asked for the community to help me with anything I missed in those terms.

Dude shot a deer in a unit his tag wasn't valid for. The unit he killed the deer had a very defined boundary from the unit his tag was valid for (separated by a river). He also shot the deer outside of the designated season for the unit. So he pre-meditated a plan to go into a unit he didn't have a tag for outside of the season dates to shoot a mid 170" buck.

Additional Context: He is also very familiar with the area in Idaho, evidence claiming to have been hunting these areas for decades. He knew exactly what he was doing, and like many have pointed out, it likely isn't the first offense as the game agency was likely building a case off information and speculation from someone that tipped them off. He also shot a wolf and lion in a unit he didn't have a valid tag for and falsified the information to IDFG (mandatory reporting). The affidavit (linked in the article) is pretty straight forward. Maybe 8th grade comprehension. I don't want to post the language cause it specifies units/drainages.

In context though, this guy was very familiar with units/boundaries/season dates, ect. (If true) it was all very pre-meditated and intentionally deceitful.

 

[WeiserBucks]

However, the punishment should be different if we're talking days outside of season verses hunting at a time period where the game is more vulnerable. No?

Absolutely not.

 

[Braaap]

Could easily be bad legal advise. Typically when you're facing prosecution lawyers will essentially advise you to become a ghost as I understand it.

That's fair. However, the punishment should be different if we're talking days outside of season verses hunting at a time period where the game is more vulnerable. No?

Your defense of this behavior kinda makes me wonder if you’ve used this strategy yourself.