Here I thought Ryan Lamper was one of the good guys for the hunting world…

[OXN939]

And places like Black Ovis carry his products and have ignored numerous folks who have asked about why the are carrying products from a convicted poacher, the latter tips the scale on the easy decision for my to boycott Black Ovis while they do business with a poacher and try to ignore it.

Edit: Damn that dude weaseled into sportsmans warehouse and midwayusa now too.

Good news, though, is the awareness in this thread. Lot of guys starting to notice this stuff and call it out. The more we police ourselves, the less ammunition we give the anti types to do it forcibly.

 

[ELKdeerMT]

Do I understand this correctly, he had tags for the game within the state. However, he killed them in a different unit than the tag was issued?
If this is correct, those calling for a lifetime ban deserves every bad thing that ever happens to you. This is a crime deserving of a stiff fine at worst. What am I missing?

I think you need to go re-read the article and affidavit. 2 minutes of looking at Idaho units and what he did and you'll have a pretty good idea on how blatant the offense was.

 

[WeiserBucks]

I'm not asking for the statist lawyer mumbo jumbo. This is simply everything they can pile on. What did he actually do, what actions is he being prosecuted for? Did I miss anything in my previous post?

Idaho Files Criminal Complaint Against Ryan Lampers Over Trophy Deer, Lion, and Wolf Cases

The Lemhi County Prosecutor’s Office in Idaho has filed a criminal complaint against Ryan C. Lampers (known online as StHealthy Hunter), 51, of Montana.

gearjunkie.com

Have you read this?

 

[wowzers]

I'm not asking for the statist lawyer mumbo jumbo. This is simply everything they can pile on. What did he actually do, what actions is he being prosecuted for? Did I miss anything in my previous post?

Do you not read well?

 

[tipsntails7]

I'm not asking for the statist lawyer mumbo jumbo. This is simply everything they can pile on. What did he actually do, what actions is he being prosecuted for? Did I miss anything in my previous post?

I am convinced this is Lampers or Brians burner account. There is just no way you can be that obtuse to the damage these type of individuals do when they violate game laws this way.

 

[stevers75]

I would imagine when you show up to fish and game with a 175" mule deer, a cougar, and two wolves and try to explain how you just had a really decent week of hunting, that it probably raises some suspicion...

 

[AM_Hunter]

I'm not asking for the statist lawyer mumbo jumbo. This is simply everything they can pile on. What did he actually do, what actions is he being prosecuted for? Did I miss anything in my previous post?

I'm lost on what you're confused about, he (allegedly) did all the things on that list, and he is being prosecuted for all the things on that list...

 

[Wprinkle]

So you mean to tell me that these guys on TV don't really draw hard to get tags every year, as if they were OTC? And that stacking 340"+ bulls and 180"+ bucks like cordwood in multiple states every year in "OTC public units" isn't normal?!?!? Or that every time they step out of the truck to bugle and get 3-4 bulls to instantly reply... Next you're gonna tell me that their entire goal is to get you to buy whatever crap they are peddling, and that using it won't actually turn me into an instant bad a$$ like them? IS Santa even real?!?!?

 

[HilltopHitman]

Tough to see because he was portrayed as a true sportsman. All his credibility is lost. The amount of charges and severity of them seems to be like they have him dead to rights. If he’s guilty, I hope they stick it to him.

 

[WRO]

If any of you have time, Read the John Lewton story about overzealous game cops. Not saying thats the situation here, but I’m going to reserve judgement until the verdict is passed down.

 

[ThorM465]

Maybe teach your sons to not associate with criminals and they’ll never be put in that situation.

Teach my sons that the state determines character??? I don't think so.

I think you need to go re-read the article and affidavit. 2 minutes of looking at Idaho units and what he did and you'll have a pretty good idea on how blatant the offense was.

If its that simple then why can you not explain it here simply? I don't have time to go become an expert on Idaho units. Why should I not be able to ask those guys to explain this in what would actually only take 2 minutes?

Idaho Files Criminal Complaint Against Ryan Lampers Over Trophy Deer, Lion, and Wolf Cases

The Lemhi County Prosecutor’s Office in Idaho has filed a criminal complaint against Ryan C. Lampers (known online as StHealthy Hunter), 51, of Montana.

gearjunkie.com

Have you read this?

Yep, are you capable of understanding it? Would you mind helping me understand what I'm missing?

Do you not read well?

Do you not write well?

I am convinced this is Lampers or Brians burner account. There is just no way you can be that obtuse to the damage these type of individuals do when they violate game laws this way.

No, it's very possible. However, nothing here demonstrates that. You're obviously the intellectual superior, so why don't you school me on why this is deserving of the proverbial death penalty.

I'm lost on what you're confused about, he (allegedly) did all the things on that list, and he is being prosecuted for all the things on that list...

I'm lost on what your confused about. The only thing I can take from this is you've taken the position "state say it bad, so it bad." I tried to break it down in layman's terms and asked for the community to help me with anything I missed in those terms.

 

[velvet muley]

I'm not asking for the statist lawyer mumbo jumbo. This is simply everything they can pile on. What did he actually do, what actions is he being prosecuted for? Did I miss anything in my previous post?

Are you for real? So in other words poaching a trophy deer, wolf and mountain lion are not serious game violations to you?

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt assume that you just read it wrong.

If not, and you actually think that you’re the type of people that don’t need to be out in the hills representing hunters.

 

[WeiserBucks]

Yep, are you capable of understanding it? Would you mind helping me understand what I'm missing?

Short version is that he's charged with killing a deer where no season was open. I'm not going to write a book about the fraud charges but he's basically charged with lying to F&G about kill location to collect a larger $$ bounty.

 

[grfox92]

Now were going after each other and calling out each other as fathers.......come on guys, this will be locked in 3, 2....


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[thinhorn_AK]

Teach my sons that the state determines character??? I don't think so.

If its that simple then why can you not explain it here simply? I don't have time to go become an expert on Idaho units. Why should I not be able to ask those guys to explain this in what would actually only take 2 minutes?

Yep, are you capable of understanding it? Would you mind helping me understand what I'm missing?

Do you not write well?

No, it's very possible. However, nothing here demonstrates that. You're obviously the intellectual superior, so why don't you school me on why this is deserving of the proverbial death penalty.

I'm lost on what your confused about. The only thing I can take from this is you've taken the position "state say it bad, so it bad." I tried to break it down in layman's terms and asked for the community to help me with anything I missed in those terms.

It is true that in my experience, state employees (100% of the people who work for Alaska Department of Fish and game) think they are better than everybody else and the public are nothing more than their subjects. If other state fish and game employees are as corrupt as the ones here in Alaska then there is a problem.

However, that guy was likely poaching which regardless of laws is an act of ethics/moral turpitude in the hunting community and needs to be dealt with swiftly and harshly.

 

[wowzers]

...

Do you not write well?

....

You were an ASVAB waiver weren't you?

 

[Bugger]

I don't personally know Lampers so I'm not defending him. I will however counter the idea he's automatically a dirt bag poaching influencer.

I've been around long enough to know anyone is capable of anything, including LEO's. LEO's are human too and have biases and personal views that affect the view of their job.
I have witnessed game officers try to make a crime out of literally nothing multiple times. I have other people I trust who have either gone to court and won or were under investigation that amounted to nothing because they did nothing. In that case, the apology or ruling of innocence is never as public as the accusal.

I'm not saying every game officer or LEO is bad or corrupt, but it just takes one to ruin someone.

For the sake of argument, Idaho code 36-202 designates any "mule deer buck over 150" BC" qualifies as a "trophy" for the purposes of restitution. Also the greater score of typical or non-typical is used to determine that score.
That makes ANY decent muley buck a potential "trophy" prosecution.

So if the game officer got one little thing to justify an investigation, he gets phone data. let's says there are locations in AND out of the open unit on the same day. phone data doesn't prove where an animal was actually killed or why he was there.
If ALL the GPS data is in a closed unit, that's different.

Is it illegal to glass into a open unit from a closed unit?

I know they probably have video they can compare to topography but it better be air tight.

Even though it's "innocent until proven guilty" now it's on Lampers to prove it.

IDFW going for max fine and felony charges smells like making an example of an out of state "influencer". It doesn't take much to find similar game convictions in Idaho where Joe Schmo got the minimum fine, probation and community service with hunting/fishing suspension being the heaviest penalty.

So why aren't there other people with charges against them that were there as well?

Like others have said, he struck me as the least likely to break the law.

If he did it, so be it.
I just get sick of the pitchfork mob reaction every time someone with a some notoriety gets accused.

Why would a guy delete all his accounts, sponsorships, and entire footprint on the internet over a trumped up charge from an overzealous warden?

 

[thinhorn_AK]

Short version is that he's charged with killing a deer where no season was open. I'm not going to write a book about the fraud charges but he's basically charged with lying to F&G about kill location to collect a larger $$ bounty.

If the season was closed then all the other "what if" things going on don't really matter.

 

[WeiserBucks]

If the season was closed then all the other "what if" things going on don't really matter.

I'm well aware.

 

[Jimmy]

Why would a guy delete all his accounts, sponsorships, and entire footprint on the internet over a trumped up charge from an overzealous warden?

This is what makes me wonder even more that it's exactly what it looks like.

Too bad. It seemed like he was trying to be a good dad to his kids and get them outdoors.

Temptation is an evil thing, and like the Bible says, "be sure your sins will be found out".