Help for a youth set-up

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Very experienced archery hunter myself. Getting my kid ready for her first archery deer hunt this year. She is pulling 40# but only has a DL of 22". She is shooting an off-brand compound, hard to find that short of a draw length in legal poundage configurations. Given the incredibly short DL I am concerned about speed/arrow weight and penetration (mule deer). I am confident we can get her a shot at <30 yards and that will likely be her max range.

Currently at 10 yds. in the basement she is hitting 5" groups consistently after only 2 weeks of a dozen arrows per day. She is consistently gaining skill and precision every evening. By October she'll be ready.

I have never faced this problem of weight versus speed versus penetration. Self-taught, I've always shot 50#+ with 31" DL and 500+ gr. arrows. SHot 145 gr. Bow Bullets and brass inserts before FOC was even a thing. Never had an issue with penetration whether recurve or compound - but had long arrow lengths (weight) to compensate for lower poundage of recurves (50#) and generally stuck with the same general rig for my compounds at 70#+.

I've never set up a youth bow for hunting purposes before. Researching the internet it seems there is a huge split on whether to go light and focus on speed or to go heavy and fight trajectory issues. Given her frame and genetics, she "might" pull up to 45# by season but DL isn't going to change. I would prefer she use a 125 gr. head, or at least 100 gr.

Has anyone fought the super-short DL issues before and what has been your experience balancing speed versus total arrow weight?

Part of me just wants her to shoot some of my old arrows (completely wrong spine- I know) sticking 7" out the end of her bow and though slower, should get a pass-through. They killed plenty of animals out of a recurve only 5# heavier. I also know that isn't the correct answer to have her shoot wrong spine and wrong length. The other part of me wants to get a dozen custom mini-arrows spined for her current DL and # but given the short DL and low GPI of low spine arrows, total arrow weight and penetration may be an issue.

Not sure where the sweet spot is on this new situation for me. Any insight from parents who have fought this dragon before is appreciated!
 
First, is there a min arrow weight in the state you live in?
Second, there is a fine balance of arrow weight verses speed and both will provide penetration.
Third, definitely get her into cut on contact head.
I would run KE on different arrows and see where you get the best KE.

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I set up bows for hunting for both my son and daughter. They started at about 34 lbs with similar DL. I went with the correct or slightly stiffer spine arrows. I did some tests thru the chrono and did the math and determined at 20 yards I had more KE than with the heavier arrow. I really think a lighter poundage bow has a hard time getting those heavier arrows moving. Plus there was a huge gap between 10, 20 and 30 yard pins. I actually made 20 yards their min on deer and using cut on contact they never achieved a pass thru on decent sized deer. This is irrelevant to your post but now in my state where crossbows are legal kids are archery hunting deer at 4 years old and shooting 50 yards. I liked the old way and practicing with the kids every day. Good on you for getting her out hunting.


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No minimum arrow weight in CO identified in the regs, just minimum poundage and max letoff, I made sure she is within all parameters there. I'd personally like to see her near 400 grain arrow total but that might be tough. Researching options for various shafts.

Definitely COC head - It's what I use and have confidence in.

Will play with some KE estimators, this is new ground to plow for me. Good news is she insists of 2 dozen arrows a day for practice. In the garage at 10 yards, after only 4 days, she is grouping 4 consecutive shots consistently in a 6" circle.

Thanks for the input!
 
No minimum arrow weight in CO identified in the regs, just minimum poundage and max letoff, I made sure she is within all parameters there. I'd personally like to see her near 400 grain arrow total but that might be tough. Researching options for various shafts.

Definitely COC head - It's what I use and have confidence in.

Will play with some KE estimators, this is new ground to plow for me. Good news is she insists of 2 dozen arrows a day for practice. In the garage at 10 yards, after only 4 days, she is grouping 4 consecutive shots consistently in a 6" circle.

Thanks for the input!

If for some reason she starts to get bored with the garage and 10 yards, I recommend using you imagination a bit to break up the routine. Shoot some balloons, a 3 D target and extend her range a bit. I would guess you are indoors maybe due to weather. After a few weeks I had to come up with some new ways to make it fun for my kids.

Also one of the challenges I think kids have with accuracy for low poundage bows is the draw stops. If your bows stops use the cables it can be difficult to be consistent due to not having much resistance and not a solid wall. Recommend you keep and eye out to see if she is creeping off over drawing into the stops.


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Will do - thanks!

Garage is where we are just temporarily for nightly practice. We are blessed to have an excellent CPW archery range just 5 minutes away at Lake Pueblo State Park. Soon as the rain stops we'll be running out there in the evenings and using a variety of targets for sure. We also have a great indoor range and pro-shop at High Impact Archery also.

We'll be moving to 18 yards in the basement soon also for indoor practice when needed. A bit more to damage potential down there so we wanted to start her where "flyers" were in a controlled environment.
 
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