Head Shooting Big Game

It kinda seems ironic to me that people condemn others for head/neck shooting deer at reasonable ranges under ideal conditions but they consider it totally acceptable to shoot deer over 800 yards with an moa rifle. I personally am much more comfortable with a 200 yard throat patch shot with an honest 1/2 moa 223 than shooting over 700 yards with a 3/4 moa 300 rum.
Anyone want to do the math on the margin of error difference between the two?🤷 Maybe my math isn't that good?
 
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Man you have alot a good info. But you are really hard to actually talk to


I’m not. I notice that you didn’t address anything about what I wrote- the factual issues with head shots on whitetail deer for the vast majority of people. Just straight to “you’re hard to talk to”


You normally don’t argue about subjects you aren’t well versed in. You admitted you have no experience with this, and then are telling others that have done so and are relaying why it’s not a great idea for a guy with 5 total grouse and a 1 deer to take head shots; that the reason they are suggesting not to do so is because they are “emotionally” driven.


Btw. When you said the part about where a deer would want to be shot, you were anthropomorphizing.

No- I was not. I was saying that hitting a leg is not the same as hitting a jaw. I was hoping you would step back and go- yeah, I suppose that it’s not. Because it isn’t.


Also, a 77TMK to the head had a far bigger kill radius than 2”. You can sometimes say “yep, you’re right. I was being dramatic. It’s 4-5” zone, which is still small.”


NO IT USNT! I don’t know how to make it more clear to someone that hasn’t done it. I was head shooting deer with TMK’s before the hunting world knew they existed- heads are not the same as muscle tissue. Especially deer heads- they are rounded and tend to cause bullets to skip off the bone- even from centerfire rifles. The skull does not propagate the temporary stretch cavity like tissue does. If that bullet does not enter the brain cavity of a deer, it’s close to 50/50 on whether or not it drops the deer. Even when they drop, if the bullet or a fragment does not penetrate the cavity, it is often that they get back up and run off.


But as you are so sure of this- what is the most often or likely shot presentation that people get on hogs when they go for a head shot?

What is the most often, and likely head presentation on Whitetail deer when they go for a head shot?
 
I’m not. I notice that you didn’t address anything about what I wrote- the factual issues with head shots on whitetail deer for the vast majority of people. Just straight to “you’re hard to talk to”


You normally don’t argue about subjects you aren’t well versed in. You admitted you have no experience with this, and then are telling others that have done so and are relaying why it’s not a great idea for a guy with 5 total grouse and a 1 deer to take head shots; that the reason they are suggesting not to do so is because they are “emotionally” driven.




No- I was not. I was saying that hitting a leg is not the same as hitting a jaw. I was hoping you would step back and go- yeah, I suppose that it’s not. Because it isn’t.





NO IT USNT! I don’t know how to make it more clear to someone that hasn’t done it. I was head shooting deer with TMK’s before the hunting world knew they existed- heads are not the same as muscle tissue. Especially deer heads- they are rounded and tend to cause bullets to skip off the bone- even from centerfire rifles. The skull does not propagate the temporary stretch cavity like tissue does. If that bullet does not enter the brain cavity of a deer, it’s close to 50/50 on whether or not it drops the deer. Even when they drop, if the bullet or a fragment does not penetrate the cavity, it is often that they get back up and run off.


But as you are so sure of this- what is the most often or likely shot presentation that people get on hogs when they go for a head shot?

What is the most often, and likely head presentation on Whitetail deer when they go for a head shot?
Man form. It’s probably profile on a hog and frontal on a deer. It does offer a much more narrow shooting area.

You’re right that most shouldn’t take the head shot. Again it’s not something I do even though I’ve thought about it. I have such good luck dropping them with high shoulder it has always seemed like an unnecessary risk.

The last area I will push back. As someone that has taken care of many gunshot humans, I would def rather be shot in the arm than the jaw. However, that was a straw man for you. Because I would rather be shot in the jaw than the liver!

Appreciate you. Was just in a debating mood today. Hope you have a merry Christmas!
 
Pennsylvania. All 3 doe. 1 in muzzleloader season, 2 in rifle season. Jaws hanging, wounded for days.

***forgot about this buck. Headshot in rifle by an idiot
Were the guys trying for a headshot, or just hit it in the head? Hard to believe the muzzy guy went for head
 
Idiotic choice. After putting down numerous deer with their jaws blown off and suffering, I won't hunt with anyone that makes that sort of decision.
Yes. If someone hasn’t seen an animal with a blown off jaw they haven’t spent much time in the field. I run across one every 5 years or so.
 
It kinda seems ironic to me that people condemn others for head/neck shooting deer at reasonable ranges under ideal conditions but they consider it totally acceptable to shoot deer over 800 yards with an moa rifle. I personally am much more comfortable with a 200 yard throat patch shot with an honest 1/2 moa 223 than shooting over 700 yards with a 3/4 moa 300 rum.
Anyone want to do the math on the margin of error difference between the two?🤷 Maybe my math isn't that good?
Ain't it some bullshit?
 
Majority(not all) of PA muzzy hunters are not dialing in a load until shots are touching. They are “that’s pretty good for deer” type shooters. Which is fine for most shots in PA. That’s about as good as I am with the inline. I don’t have the confidence with it for a headshot.
 
Had a little oopsies while I was removing the brain on this euro mount, now a ruler fits in the brain cavity.

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Also, head shot 1 deer. 15 yards, 300 win mag, Barnes 165 tsx. Deer was facing straight away, also running. Should not have shot. Bullet went in between the ears, excited left eye. Deer continued to run up the hill then turned, ran down to me, tripped in brush, somersaulted and broke both front legs. Was head up and alert looking at me from sub 10 yards. Shot again for the head, hit, and again he was still head up and alert. Walked over and put the muzzle at the base of his skull to finish him.

I won't intentionally shoot a deer in the head again, and I don't think others should consider that shot either. Most bow kills I've had were quicker and cleaner.
 
Wow, look where this thread went. I'm going to reiterate. CNS shots are extremely effective. In all honesty, I've maakw CNS shots pretty regularly. Simply put, the animal is dead before it hits the ground. It's pretty close to the same for heart shots, and I've made plenty of those too. But, those are very small targets; and such small targets are well outside most people's ability. Thus I do not recommend CNS or heart shots.

A couple years ago, I was parked just off a dirt road, watching this area (a travel route for deer). 2 spike bucks were bedded about 200 yards apart, but they were almost impossible to spot (with good glass/spikes are not legal). 2 guys drove up and stopped about 40 yards past me. They got out and spooked one of the bucks. Long story short, one of the guys shoot at the bucks, about a 100 yard shot; not once, but twice, after I told them they were not legal bucks. The guy, fortunate for him, missed both shots, and the bucks finally ran off. Unfortunately, from what I've seen, such shooting appears typical. Simply put, people need to spend much more time at the range practicing field shooting, not bench rest shooting, just to get reasonably proficient. Thus my reasoning for never recommending a CNS or heart shot. The odds of missing are simply much to high for the average shooter, even for the better than average shooter.

Form brought of the difference between a jaw shot and a leg shot. I think he left the difference to be deduced, as if you've done enough hunting, you've seen the difference. There isn't an animal alive that will survive a bullet blown up jaw. Where as surviving a leg being shot, is not uncommon. I've seen more than my share of 3 leggeded animals running around the woods.
 
Tangentially relevant to the discussion, I feel like I should point out that I actually have two deer to my name. The buck I mentioned was the only one I've shot in a hunting scenario. The other had its back legs broken by an SUV (not me). Then I got to watch a sheriff's deputy miss it with his M&P from offhand, then miss it again from a rest, then come back from the cruiser and put a load of #11 birdshot into the ham. He finally drove off with a reminder that we're in city limits and I can't shoot it. At which point I followed it into the ditch and brained it at 12 yards with a single 147gr XTP from my PDP.

What was he gonna do, come back and file a report explaining that he failed to kill a half crippled yearling even after resorting to a long gun?
 

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I will be the first to say that head/neck shots are not for everyone. I would not recommend it until you have killed quite a few animals and have put in lots of trigger time and have the upmost confidence in yourself and your equipment.
 
Were the guys trying for a headshot, or just hit it in the head? Hard to believe the muzzy guy went for head

I was with him, he was using a scoped inline. He tried a headshot because that's all he could see. He was sure the deer dropped but we ended up jumping it. With its mouth hanging open, it took off and bled for a long ways. We gave it a few hours to hopefully bed down but it never stopped and made it onto inaccessible private. Hopefully someone else shot it before it starved to death.
 
I was with him, he was using a scoped inline. He tried a headshot because that's all he could see. He was sure the deer dropped but we ended up jumping it. With its mouth hanging open, it took off and bled for a long ways. We gave it a few hours to hopefully bed down but it never stopped and made it onto inaccessible private. Hopefully someone else shot it before it starved to death.
Seems like you’ve been biased by some friends that can’t shoot very well
 
People who don't think you shouldn't head shoot are the same ones who shouldn't think it's OK to shoot big game with a 223 or other small caliber. If you can't hit where you're aiming then go back to the range and figure out how to hit your target.
 
Headshots work until they don’t.

I’ve found, in depredation hunts, that the margin for error is too small on deer and elk to make it a great first choice target.

I’ve used head shots the most often as a follow up shot on a paralyzed or hips/legs broken animal and the head is still sticking up enough to shoot at it.

Sometimes the shots are lights out and sometimes they go down, only to get right back up and run off with their face missing.

If an animal is only presenting its head, you can nearly always wait a touch longer and get a good neck/spine shot that has higher killing and incapacitation odds.
 
People who don't think you shouldn't head shoot are the same ones who shouldn't think it's OK to shoot big game with a 223 or other small caliber. If you can't hit where you're aiming then go back to the range and figure out how to hit your target.

The people that promote small calibers are the same people that acknowledge how poor most shoot and promote practicing from field positions.

Head shots are typically a poor choice.

Most people suck at shooting.

Everyone shoots a small caliber better.
 
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