Have you hunted with ELD Match bullets

[ResearchinStuff]

Yeah, there's also a whole thread here showing multiple moose, black and brown bear, elk, walrus, etc with match bullets from a 223.

 

[flyfisher117]

Can you say more about the 208 ELD-M experience. My rifle loves them and I am struggling to get accuracy from other “hunting” bullets in that weight range.

I don’t have muzzle velocity off hand but the insides showed insane amounts of trauma. Impact was around 400 yards and animal was dead on the spot.

After the fact I was shown a montage video of about 15 elk/deer getting shot by that very rifle and bullet and all were nearly bang flops. It’s a loaner rifle that clients use if they don’t have a rifle capable of the shot or if they request to rent a rifle.

 

[Ckat]

If you have any doubts on hunting with tipped-match bullets, I would HIGHLY recommend listening to The Hunt Backcountry podcast’s episodes #469 and #470 with Form. Go in with an OPEN MIND and a willingness to listen from beginning to end.

Don’t dismiss Form for any “wild” claims that he makes early on, because he will eventually get around to explaining all of them in detail. I thought that I “knew” a lot based on my own experience… as it turns out, my experiences have been proving Form’s claims… I was just misinterpreting what I was seeing!!! For example, I knocked particular bullets for excessive damage and lack of exits (sometimes) on the basis of “what if” that animal didn’t die immediately like it did. I wasn’t understanding the mechanics of how that bullet was working and was ignoring the fact that they were ALL dying… QUICKLY!

Anyway, it is worth the 3 hours… if you go into it with a receptive attitude, you WILL come out with knowledge gained and a new understanding of bullet mechanics.

 

[StupidLightweight]

From firsthand experience and many secondhand accounts, I believe the 143 ELD X is the worst Hornady bullet, especially at PRC velocities. They’re too explosive and don’t penetrate well.

On the flip side, the 147 ELD M in a 6.5 PRC is the best killing bullet I’ve used. I can’t explain why, because it goes against logic, but it’s a known issue with the 143, so buyer beware.

 

[BLJ]

I believe the owner of outdoor life killed a bull moose with a 88 eldm out of a 22 arc AR last season. There is a video floating around somewhere. Steve from exo mountain gear killed a big caribou and moose with a 6cm shooting the 108 eldm. There are videos on both those kills on YouTube and also pictures on this forum somewhere.

@bearcreekbandit.

 

[lager]

I think some of there performance depends on your barrel ! I put 3 good hits on a bull with 7 mm 180 eldm at 400 yards with impact velocity close to 2500 fps. He got behind a tree where I couldnt get another shot and took 20 minutes to die. Would of been dead on first shot with a Nosler 175 or Berger. 8 twist 3 groove barrel. 'IF" I try them again for elk it will be in my 9 twist barrels. Too fragile in that setup, not enough penetration. Had them blow up in flight when pushed over 3000 fps. in that barrel.

 

[wind gypsy]

I believe the owner of outdoor life killed a bull moose with a 88 eldm out of a 22 arc AR last season. There is a video floating around somewhere. Steve from exo mountain gear killed a big caribou and moose with a 6cm shooting the 108 eldm. There are videos on both those kills on YouTube and also pictures on this forum somewhere.

Tyler is a staff writer for Outdoor Life, dont think he owns it.

 

[199p]

I think some of there performance depends on your barrel ! I put 3 good hits on a bull with 7 mm 180 eldm at 400 yards with impact velocity close to 2500 fps. He got behind a tree where I couldnt get another shot and took 20 minutes to die. Would of been dead on first shot with a Nosler 175 or Berger. 8 twist 3 groove barrel. 'IF" I try them again for elk it will be in my 9 twist barrels. Too fragile in that setup, not enough penetration. Had them blow up in flight when pushed over 3000 fps. in that barrel.

I wonder if it's the 3-groove barrel that's breaking them up before they have left the muzzle.

My gunsmith was using a 7-300norma with great success, running the 180eldm in a proof,

The sister rifle is now in my safe in 300norma

 

[Montucky]

From firsthand experience and many secondhand accounts, I believe the 143 ELD X is the worst Hornady bullet, especially at PRC velocities. They’re too explosive and don’t penetrate well.

On the flip side, the 147 ELD M in a 6.5 PRC is the best killing bullet I’ve used. I can’t explain why, because it goes against logic, but it’s a known issue with the 143, so buyer beware.

I have seen numerous Mule Deer absolutely hammered with your 6.5prc 147eldm…..I guide for a couple weeks every year & the hunters show up with brand new 6.5prc’s & the Hornady box ammo with 147eldm cause it’s cheaper….even though Hornady doesn’t market it for hunting I have seen that bullet absolutely destroy mule deer….in a few cases almost destroys more meat than a picky hunter would like…..sorry ELDX, not a fan

 

[Montucky]

One quick story….got my hunter setup on a buck broadside @ 420yds nice & calm. Buck turns his head backwards to lick behind his shoulder as hunter pulls trigger…147eldm goes through the head & blows through both shoulders…..I will never see another mule deer drop like him, & I got it on video. Absolutely devastating….for the record: I don’t even have a 6.5prc, just continue to gather data on what that combo can do

 

[General RE LEE]

From firsthand experience and many secondhand accounts, I believe the 143 ELD X is the worst Hornady bullet, especially at PRC velocities. They’re too explosive and don’t penetrate well.

On the flip side, the 147 ELD M in a 6.5 PRC is the best killing bullet I’ve used. I can’t explain why, because it goes against logic, but it’s a known issue with the 143, so buyer beware.

Interesting

I like the 143 ELDX and have never lost a deer with it from my 6.5 Creedmoor.

 

[zaprosper]

Interesting

I like the 143 ELDX and have never lost a deer with it from my 6.5 Creedmoor.

I have had 0 issues with the same bullet in my 6.5x284 pushing some higher speeds. Only used on deer sized animals, all but 1 have hit soft tissue. 1 shot hit spine and bullet still performed well. That being said, either bullet is likely a good choice. My choice wasn't really one, as eldm wasn't available.

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[WVELK]

If you have any doubts on hunting with tipped-match bullets, I would HIGHLY recommend listening to The Hunt Backcountry podcast’s episodes #469 and #470 with Form. Go in with an OPEN MIND and a willingness to listen from beginning to end.

Don’t dismiss Form for any “wild” claims that he makes early on, because he will eventually get around to explaining all of them in detail. I thought that I “knew” a lot based on my own experience… as it turns out, my experiences have been proving Form’s claims… I was just misinterpreting what I was seeing!!! For example, I knocked particular bullets for excessive damage and lack of exits (sometimes) on the basis of “what if” that animal didn’t die immediately like it did. I wasn’t understanding the mechanics of how that bullet was working and was ignoring the fact that they were ALL dying… QUICKLY!

Anyway, it is worth the 3 hours… if you go into it with a receptive attitude, you WILL come out with knowledge gained and a new understanding of bullet mechanics.

Never in my life have I had 3 hours to listen to a podcast. In fact, I have never had time to listen to one at all. If someone wants to give me the highlights, great. If not, will take your word that I would be good to go with ELD-Ms. thanks.

 

[DisplacedHusky]

Never in my life have I had 3 hours to listen to a podcast. In fact, I have never had time to listen to one at all. If someone wants to give me the highlights, great. If not, will take your word that I would be good to go with ELD-Ms. thanks.

What keeps you so busy while you are driving?

 

[QBTurner7]

Dang, OP invented teleportation and is not sharing it with the rest of us…

Only kidding!


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[RDF1]

20" 223 73gr ELDM's.
I used them for deer depredations about 6 years ago and they did very good out to 550 yards.

Switched to the 77gr TMK cause they shot better and i couldnt find 73s instock anywhere.

 

[Ckat]

What keeps you so busy while you are driving?

That’s when I listen to mine…. May be able to catch 30 minutes here or there, but get through it eventually.

I won’t do a disservice to Form’s knowledge and research by offering a full CliffsNotes version (I will miss a LOT of important details) beyond this…. 1) If your goal is quick, ethical kills with little to no tracking on ALL North American game; a heavy-for-caliber, tipped, match bullet is proven to give you your best statistical odds. 2) You WILL shoot a lighter-recoiling rifle exponentially better than a heavier-recoiling rifle… most especially from field positions.

 

[justin davis]

From firsthand experience and many secondhand accounts, I believe the 143 ELD X is the worst Hornady bullet, especially at PRC velocities. They’re too explosive and don’t penetrate well.

On the flip side, the 147 ELD M in a 6.5 PRC is the best killing bullet I’ve used. I can’t explain why, because it goes against logic, but it’s a known issue with the 143, so buyer beware.

Yea seems to be the same I’ve seen in the 103 ELDx and 108 ELDm out of a 6 arc. The 103’s seem more explosive even thou they are supposed To be tougher better penetrators.

 

[eoperator]

Yea seems to be the same I’ve seen in the 103 ELDx and 108 ELDm out of a 6 arc. The 103’s seem more explosive even thou they are supposed To be tougher better penetrators.

It seems small sample size and personal bias plays a big role in this. My experience with 103eldx 6cm was the opposite of yours I thought it was narrow/deep wound compared to 108eldm.

 

[justin davis]

It seems small sample size and personal bias plays a big role in this. My experience with 103eldx 6cm was the opposite of yours I thought it was narrow/deep wound compared to 108eldm.

Yea guess so Your experience sounds like
How they are supposed to go. My step dad shoots a 6 arc. All the animals he has shot with the 103 ELDx they never exit. On the animals he has used the 108 ELDMs he always gets pass thrus Seems like the 108 ELDMs hold together better and penetrate better.

Kind of weird