Time to beat the dead horse i guess. I recently posted about getting a new carry gun for the woods and other in a 45. I live and hunt in grizzly country and have always wanted a 454 cassul carry gun for the woods. Can't afford one so I was looking at a 45 and I already own a 9mm. I grew up in Alaska and spent 20 years there and interacted many times with interior grizzlies and coastal brown bears. I've been looking at the 9mm vs the 45 in real ballistics from buffalo bore ammo. The 147 9mm comes out at 1100 fps and the 45 cal 255 comes out at 900 fps. Per their information the 9mm has a c h shy of 400 foot pounds and the 45 comes out at 465 foot pounds of energy. Aren't we splitting hairs here? I've heard all these stories of "A 9mm won't even break through a grizzlies skin". Obviously if it came to a disagreement with a brownie i would prefer a 7.62 mini gun, but between a 45 and a 9mm that has lower recoil and quicker follow up shots isn't it kind of a moot point or am I crazy? And yes I've read every story out there along with the statistics of violent confrontations with bears.