Good news for Ebiker users on public land.

[CorbLand]

I'll bet most of the fellas on this thread who have a problem with ebikes are young and in good shape. Wait 'til your hair is turning grey and your attitude will change.

I really hope I don't have the attitude of "I got to enjoy everything while I was young and now deserve special treatment because I am getting older."

I would be interested to know because earlier in this thread it was the millennials that just wanted the easy button...now we have someone saying that its the older generation that wants it to be easier for them...

 

[CoStick]

I'll bet most of the fellas on this thread who have a problem with ebikes are young and in good shape. Wait 'til your hair is turning grey and your attitude will change.

50 in 2 weeks, back surgery and 2 shoulder surgeries. Not young and have some issues but doesn’t keep me from staying active and in shape. There will come a time when I need to alter my ways, just how things go.

 

[sneaky]

So if someone uses a horse to get into the back country they are "out of shape"? Its about working smarter not harder.

I've seen plenty of guys in the backcountry on horses that would have never made it there without them. So, yes, quite a few of those guys are "out of shape".

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[sneaky]

Also.. Comparing ebikes to traditional uses like horses is laughable.

I've never seen an ebike mow down a meadow's worth of grass like an outfitters string of horses either

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[AZ8]

It would take a lot of ebikes to do this, which is on public. View attachment 397951

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Confined space. Put as many ebikes in that small pen as you do horses, let them go round and round every day, and see how long it takes for it look like that. Lol

 

[mwebs]

What about jet packs? I’m not using a trail so no impact there and I’ll be balls deep in your honey hole faster than you can lace up your Crispis..

 

[Nickofthewoods]

Why did this become a horses vs. E-bikes debate? Horse travel regulations aren't going to change regardless of what happens with e-bikes. Government entities and land managers seem to embrace the heritage aspect of primitive horse travel. E-bikes are an emerging technology whose regulations across various public lands are still evolving, thus the discussion.

 

[307]

Confined space. Put as many ebikes in that small pen as you do horses, let them go round and round every day, and see how long it takes for it look like that. Lol

Are you familiar with bikes? They're pretty good at sitting motionless and causing zero damage when not in active use.

 

[307]

Why did this become a horses vs. E-bikes debate? Horse travel regulations aren't going to change regardless of what happens with e-bikes. Government entities and land managers seem to embrace the heritage aspect of primitive horse travel. E-bikes are an emerging technology whose regulations across various public lands are still evolving, thus the discussion.

Discussion RE trail impact is where horses entered the conversation. The other component is that they, horses, are a non human powered way for people to access backcountry. Both components are relevant to the discussion of e bikes.

 

[RMM]

Off the top of my head. 1,000 watts is a little over 1.3 horsepower. 1 horse is about 1 horsepower. That’s over a 30% increase. That increase is then applied to a smaller contact patch that can spin out. E-bikes can also go much faster than horses can. We should just call them “electric motorcycles”. That’s what they are.

Horses can carry a hell of a lot more weight than e-bikes can. I also don't think you'll be seeing strings of e-bikes led by one person

 

[Rich M]

Can't say I'm too surprised the anti-old person attitude has come out. It seems that it is more of an anti-anybody attitude.

Might as well climb to the top and scream - "It's MY Mountain!"

 

[tdhanses]

Confined space. Put as many ebikes in that small pen as you do horses, let them go round and round every day, and see how long it takes for it look like that. Lol

Haha, that would be kind of funny to watch actually.

 

[tdhanses]

Can't say I'm too surprised the anti-old person attitude has come out. It seems that it is more of an anti-anybody attitude.

Might as well climb to the top and scream - "It's MY Mountain!"

It’s the old public is for all to enjoy as long as you do it the way I want to see it done. It’s kinda funny when you think about it,

Feels like some just want to keep public as complex as it can be to enjoy, I don’t mind hiking but I’m all for anyone getting out in a responsible manner even if it’s on an ebike and I’ve never ridden one.

 

[QuackAttack]

It’s the old public is for all to enjoy as long as you do it the way I want to see it done. It’s kinda funny when you think about it,

Feels like some just want to keep public as complex as it can be to enjoy, I don’t mind hiking but I’m all for anyone getting out in a responsible manner even if it’s on an ebike and I’ve never ridden one.

Careful, the HOA presidents will tell you that you are a vile human being because you might leave a tire rut on a road.


Many people don't see public land as only public when it's used their way. They can't comprehend that things like road closures and regulations effectively deny much of the land as it lays beyond walking distance, even for physically fit hunters.

 

[Justin Crossley]

It’s the old public is for all to enjoy as long as you do it the way I want to see it done. It’s kinda funny when you think about it,

Feels like some just want to keep public as complex as it can be to enjoy, I don’t mind hiking but I’m all for anyone getting out in a responsible manner even if it’s on an ebike and I’ve never ridden one.

I don't see it like that. I think some areas should allow E-bikes, and some shouldn't. Just like I think there should be motorized trails and nonmotorized trails. Seems simple to keep E-bikes on motorized trails only but I could also see allowing them on other trails on a case-by-case basis.

 

[Wyobohunter]

I'll bet most of the fellas on this thread who have a problem with ebikes are young and in good shape. Wait 'til your hair is turning grey and your attitude will change.

My hair is turning grey (what’s left of it). My attitude has not changed. Just because an activity gets more difficult for us as we age doesn’t give us the right to change the nature of the activity.

 

[AZ8]

Are you familiar with bikes? They're pretty good at sitting motionless and causing zero damage when not in active use.

Yeah. But when they’re used……

 

[RMM]

Careful, the HOA presidents will tell you that you are a vile human being because you might leave a tire rut on a road.


Many people don't see public land as only public when it's used their way. They can't comprehend that things like road closures and regulations effectively deny much of the land as it lays beyond walking distance, even for physically fit hunters.

 

[Rich M]

Yeah. But when they’re used……

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A couple pack strings could do a better job than that.

 

[tdhanses]

I don't see it like that. I think some areas should allow E-bikes, and some shouldn't. Just like I think there should be motorized trails and nonmotorized trails. Seems simple to keep E-bikes on motorized trails only but I could also see allowing them on other trails on a case-by-case basis.

I agree but I also think motorized vs nonmotorized rules were established long ago for two reasons, noise pollution and environmental impact, hard to argue a ebike creates noise pollution and it’s impact will be less then any horse. Plus there is the spark issue with a combustion motor but the biggest issue i see with an ebike is fire from battery failure.

Might be time to revisit antiquated definitions from many moons ago.

Even the forest service can’t use cordless chainsaws in the wilderness yet horses are not an issue.

I also think 85% of ebike owners would stay on forest service roads or really nice trails, i doubt many could even ride one on most horse or hiking trails, doubt there would all of a sudden be many pro level ebike riders.