If I'm backpacking I use big rocks if I'm car camping a hammer and big spikes
That's a bummer. Sometimes it helps to pour water or boiling water on them and try again.Doesn't always work. I lost 16 MSR groundhogs two weeks ago. They drove fine, but would not come up. All the loops broke while trying to do that, tried to dig them out, etc. I then had to go to REI and I did not realize how expensive stakes were now. $68 later I was back in business!
Yea I probably could have tried more but we were trying to get out before a big front came in and we would have been snowed in. I gave to 20 min or so and then just sunk them down so no one would pop a mat on them.That's a bummer. Sometimes it helps to pour water or boiling water on them and try again.
We had 3 days of single digit temps and one day at -2 so the ground was not going to give them up. After 1 minute of trying to extract the first msr stake, I took out the knife and cut the tie lines for the other stakes. A 12 pack of an msr knockoff is $9 on Amazon...I broke several of those off trying to extract from frozen ground this fall. We tried pouring boiling water on them but couldn’t budge them out.
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So you used absolutely no stakes?
I wonder if the MSR groundhog stakes are made in China now? I used the Kifaru SST (snow, sand tundra stakes to pitch my 16 man tipi at the Sangre’ de’ Cristo wilderness 2 years ago, man we had some really high whipping winds..we’re running the Kifaru Large box stove in it..it was scary for sure, but it held up like a champ. I pitched that tipi so damn taught to help shed the high wind gusts and boy I am sure glad I did!Doesn't always work. I lost 16 MSR groundhogs two weeks ago. They drove fine, but would not come up. All the loops broke while trying to do that, tried to dig them out, etc. I then had to go to REI and I did not realize how expensive stakes were now. $68 later I was back in business!
And now we have come full circlewally sells spike tent stakes with a plastic head that slides up/down and rotates, those work well for me in very cold. Not light.