Fishnet base layers. They work, and you want them.

[THLR]

Here's where fishnets are stellar. Temps drop towards -10°C in the morning, significantly warmer in the sun but well below freezing.

I'm wearing woolnet x2, a wicking layer and windbreaker. Note how I don't need my puffy for glassing as I'm basically dry

 

[isleofGough]

Still, down or synthetic down are needed if you are standing still in sub zero temps.

 

[fwafwow]

I'm wearing woolnet x2, a wicking layer and windbreaker. Note how I don't need my puffy for glassing as I'm basically dry

Sorry for perhaps a dumb question (one of my specialties), but do you mean you are wearing two layers of Woolnet?

 

[THLR]

Not at all. Yes! I wear a woolnet tshirt, a thin woolmesh crewneck (smaller holes) and on top a hoodie; this one made for winter trail running

 

[fwafwow]

Not at all. Yes! I wear a woolnet tshirt, a thin woolmesh crewneck (smaller holes) and on top a hoodie; this one made for winter trail running

Thanks. I will research tomorrow to find the t-shirt. I currently only run/rock (have to use powerful verbs with these mesh pieces) the Aclima Woolnet Crewneck (which is long sleeve), so a woolnet t-shirt would be a good option to wear separate, or in addition.

 

[Dobermann]

Thanks. I will research tomorrow to find the t-shirt. I currently only run/rock (have to use powerful verbs with these mesh pieces) the Aclima Woolnet Crewneck (which is long sleeve), so a woolnet t-shirt would be a good option to wear separate, or in addition.

Here's the Aclima one at Varuste: https://varuste.net/en/p80210/aclima-woolnet-t-shirt-mens

Not many sizes in stock, but they seem to re-stock often.

And not sure if that's the one that @THLR uses, or another manufacturer ...

 

[THLR]

Aclima, Devold, Brynje, Janus. I'll take any one if the price is right and usually buy whatever is available at the end-of-season sales.

These garments have gone from "army utility" to "in-the-know fashion" and prices 3x

 

[Dobermann]

@fwafwow - quick look on Varuste only returned a long sleeve Devold wood mesh: https://varuste.net/en/p86899/devold-wool-mesh-shirt-mens

Let me know if you find a source for any others ...

 

[doverpack12]

Anyone ordered an Aclima woolnet through Varuste and used the invoice/wire transfer option? I’ve wanted to get one for years but have not been able to navigate checkout with my card companies.

 

[Tman24]

Anyone ordered an Aclima woolnet through Varuste and used the invoice/wire transfer option? I’ve wanted to get one for years but have not been able to navigate checkout with my card companies.

Why not just select credit card option instead of invoice/ wire transfer

 

[PathFinder]

Aclima, Devold, Brynje, Janus. I'll take any one if the price is right and usually buy whatever is available at the end-of-season sales.

These garments have gone from "army utility" to "in-the-know fashion" and prices 3x

What are your thoughts on the mesh vs net? Are they somewhat interchangeable or do they have different ideal applications? Looking specifically at Janus' mesh merino wool.

 

[fwafwow]

@fwafwow - quick look on Varuste only returned a long sleeve Devold wood mesh: https://varuste.net/en/p86899/devold-wool-mesh-shirt-mens

Let me know if you find a source for any others ...

So far no luck. and the Devold doesn't have wide enough mesh to show the hair on my chest and nipples, so it won't double for Miami clubbing.

 

[fwafwow]

Here's the Aclima one at Varuste: https://varuste.net/en/p80210/aclima-woolnet-t-shirt-mens

Not many sizes in stock, but they seem to re-stock often.

And not sure if that's the one that @THLR uses, or another manufacturer ...

This would be perfect if/when back in stock

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

I've been wearing the Aclima for a few months now. Two mule deer hunts (one packout), several duck hunts, ski touring, downhill skiing and some cold days on the jobsite. About 30+ days of use.

I understand the hype. I wouldn't say it's warmer than other baselayers, but definitely manages moisture better. I'll likely continue to use them as my primary baselayers.

Developed a rip on the left forearm during a packout. That has unraveled from a pea sized hole to a golf ball now. Gotta be mindful if you're stripping down to it alone. And I wish the pants came in a bootcut (primarily for my ski boots, but also hunting boots).

Ordered from Varuste on 9/23/24, delivered 10/3/24. Happy with that timeline for sure.

I'm 5'-6", 165lbs, inseam closer to 28" but I wear 32x30 mostly. Ordered size Small in both tops and bottoms. Happy with the fit.

 

[THLR]

@PathFinder it's a bit more difficult to get into that fetish club with a mesh; it looks too ordinary compared to net.

I find that mesh holds more water, so I sometimes take it off to dry. Not a problem with net.

 

[Dobermann]

I wouldn't say it's warmer than other baselayers, but definitely manages moisture better.

Hmmm ... my experience is that the latter leads to the former.

@THLR?

 

[doverpack12]

Why not just select credit card option instead of invoice/ wire transfer

That is what I have tried 3-4 times. Always gets declined even when I am on the phone with cc company and they say when to click.

 

[SteveAndTheCrigBoys]

Hmmm ... my experience is that the latter leads to the former.

Possibly, that sentiment mostly comes from comparing to other baselayers in lower effort, more static conditions. Not sweating before becoming static. Duck hunting, some close to the truck glassing sessions, etc.

 

[THLR]

Hmmm ... my experience is that the latter leads to the former.

@THLR?

The arctic studies at University of Tromsø used to have a good research paper in the public domain; I could not find it right now.

To heat and dry moisture on your skin requires an inordinate amount of energy compared to just staying dry/drier. In a coastal saltwater climate even worse.

In the colder climate, it also changes your blood. I cannot remember the words, but the short of it is that the heart works harder and you don't restitute nearly as well. "The NATO gait" as the tendons get a little stiff and allied soldiers in for winter training tend to walk a little funny at the end of the week.

This is not really relevant for normal hunting as most wouldn't hunt in that weather or push that hard.

But yeah, being wet really adds to that downwards spiral, especially if you add a little wind. Pretty sure a little google-fu will reveal the science behind it.

So dressing correctly REALLY helps with comfort and longevity, for me this means ability to pay attention and glass properly.

I bought the Sitka Ambient. It's basically an airy, fluffy fleece towel with a surface fabric, so should help moving moisture away from my skin. Good hood, wish the Mountain Evo had the same coverage!

(a $220 jacket landed at $530 with exchange rate/shipping/import taxes, so a really stupid choice compared to an Rab/Mountain Equipment jacket)