feedback on Seekins ph3 barrel swaps

[Beanz]

Looking at getting a 6mm creedmoor for hunting/plinking at distance and the PH3 seems to check all the boxes for the price point. Biggest concern is the aftermarket support, have the bolt heads and barrels started trickling in to stocking dealers? Another option would be a Proof Elevation MTR 2.0 in 6mm found one sub 2,700 so that may the better option with aftermarket support. Just looking for honest feedback and opinions.

 

[MCGHeel]

Have ph3 300wm. Just starting to eval, but so far accuracy is good and comfortable to shoot even in magnum cartridge. Seems eurooptic has bolt heads, have one on order for standard bolt head. 7BC barrel on order from hells canyon armory. Will update once everything arrives and have time to test. Also, ordered apex predator mags, hopefully these will be good addition. They have mags that function as a long action to short action conversion. Will probably test this out with short action caliber barrel at some point. Hope they keep making those as that looks like a great option to have a long action platform and be able to shoot anything you want (pretty much) through it.

 

[doc holiday13]

Seekins puts their prefit drawing spec out for any gunsmith to make a barrel for you. As long as your gun smith is reputable, there shouldn't be any issue with a non seekins barrel.

As far as bolts, seekins will probably sell you whatever bolt head you want. Give them a call

 

[SloppyJ]

I was looking into one of these for my kid in 22cm. I read some horror stories on their "prefit-ability" and got a little scared. Sure you can always send your action off to get a new barrel cut for it but there were reports of the action tolerances not being tight enough. In one example I saw, there was some sort of clamp that was integrated on the front of the pic rail that interfered with the OD of the new barrel. Not sure if all actions have them or not.

I noticed that barrel OD max spec was listed on the tenon detail so maybe that was just a one off type of deal for their "element action" per the detail.

Regardless, I own several zermatt origins and if you can swing it, I can't see a world where I'd rather have a Seekins over the Proof with the origin. Definitely not a single issues getting prefits for that bad boy.

 

[Escalante11]

PBB will sell you prefits for the new Seekins as well

 

[MCGHeel]

Biggest issue I’ve seen so far is SJA and PVA will require you to send in the rifle to ensure fitment in the stock. I talked directly to PVA and their concern was with contour and making sure what they send you will fit the stock. Sounds like they wouldn’t modify the stock like SJA says they will, but would contour to fit your individual stock. Apparently there are small variations in different stocks that are still enough to effect fitment and free float. I did not realize PBB would do a prefit. Do they require the rifle to be sent in if anyone knows?


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[wind gypsy]

Biggest issue I’ve seen so far is SJA and PVA will require you to send in the rifle to ensure fitment in the stock. I talked directly to PVA and their concern was with contour and making sure what they send you will fit the stock. Sounds like they wouldn’t modify the stock like SJA says they will, but would contour to fit your individual stock. Apparently there are small variations in different stocks that are still enough to effect fitment and free float. I did not realize PBB would do a prefit. Do they require the rifle to be sent in if anyone knows?

Weird. They cant just make a contour not larger diameter at any legnth than the contour print on Seekins' website? Particularly odd from PVA who insists on making tikka barrels with shanks slightly larger than factory tikka shanks so they dont fit in some stocks (cough, rokstock).

Why would they care if it fits in your stock if they make one to spec?

 

[MCGHeel]

Weird. They cant just make a contour not larger diameter at any legnth than the contour print on Seekins' website? Particularly odd from PVA who insists on making tikka barrels with shanks slightly larger than factory tikka shanks so they dont fit in some stocks (cough, rokstock).

Why would they care if it fits in your stock if they make one to spec?

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Don’t know. That’s just what they told me over the phone. I would think they could have made a custom contour and I guess that’s what they’ll do they just don’t trust the stock to be to spec. Best guess I have anyway. As far as the shanks, I’m not sure why Seekins makes such a different contour. It would make sense with a quick change action to make a more standard contour so you could easily get 3rd party barrels. Especially since they don’t really have any branded barrels available and they recommend you go the third party route.


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[wind gypsy]

Don’t know. That’s just what they told me over the phone. I would think they could have made a custom contour and I guess that’s what they’ll do they just don’t trust the stock to be to spec. Best guess I have anyway. As far as the shanks, I’m not sure why Seekins makes such a different contour. It would make sense with a quick change action to make a more standard contour so you could easily get 3rd party barrels. Especially since they don’t really have any branded barrels available and they recommend you go the third party route.

Because weight. Most aftermarket barrel blank makers use sporter contours with large/long shanks that add a lot of unnecessary weight. Basically no actual sporter rifles off the rack utilize such contours for good reason.

 

[Halligan]

I was curious about this topic as well as I wanted my do all rifle to be 6 creed, but have the ability to swap barrels if an outfitter has a 270/308 or larger requirement.
Curious to see if seekins starts pumping barrels out soon

 

[B Harrison]

My PH3 is 6CM and it’s amazing.
It shoots like a video game.
The 107 SMK and the Hornady 105 factory loads both are 1/2 MOA on a bad day.


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[B Harrison]

Follow up, aftermarket support is slow, but I’m hopeful.
I want a 300 WSM barrel for September


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[MCGHeel]

Weird. They cant just make a contour not larger diameter at any legnth than the contour print on Seekins' website? Particularly odd from PVA who insists on making tikka barrels with shanks slightly larger than factory tikka shanks so they dont fit in some stocks (cough, rokstock).

Why would they care if it fits in your stock if they make one to spec?

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So i've talked to PBB on phone. They will do a prefit for ph3, but state they do not have contour drawings or ensure fitment in factory stock. I was told to pick a contour that will fit the stock. Ok, so the rub is the contour from the seekins drawing is an odd one and I feel like the only viable option is to do a custom sporter contour to fit the factory stock and try to make sure it fits within the maximums from the contour print. Gave it my best shot. Any feedback on whether this "custom" contour will work is welcome. Also, am I right to assume the shank length on the seekins drawing would just be .500"? It's significantly shorter than other sporter profiles and I'm concerned I'm missing something there. Does the tenon length also need to be added to this measurement? Since PBB has the tenon drawings, I assumed they do not need to know that measurement only the length of shank before the start of the first taper. Kind of a rambling post here, but I'm trying to avoid having to send the rifle in to a prefit maker, just to have the contour come out within spec.

 

[wind gypsy]

So i've talked to PBB on phone. They will do a prefit for ph3, but state they do not have contour drawings or ensure fitment in factory stock. I was told to pick a contour that will fit the stock. Ok, so the rub is the contour from the seekins drawing is an odd one and I feel like the only viable option is to do a custom sporter contour to fit the factory stock and try to make sure it fits within the maximums from the contour print. Gave it my best shot. Any feedback on whether this "custom" contour will work is welcome. Also, am I right to assume the shank length on the seekins drawing would just be .500"? It's significantly shorter than other sporter profiles and I'm concerned I'm missing something there. Does the tenon length also need to be added to this measurement? Since PBB has the tenon drawings, I assumed they do not need to know that measurement only the length of shank before the start of the first taper. Kind of a rambling post here, but I'm trying to avoid having to send the rifle in to a prefit maker, just to have the contour come out within spec.

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Shank of 0.5" after machining tenon threads makes sense to me. Not sure how else you'd represent it other than that with what they provide unless you added tennon length. I'd ask them in writing to make sure you're on the same page.