Federal Peak Alloy 5.56

[Axlrod]

In the Geissele video posted today, they are shooting 5.56mm with Peak Alloy 5.56mm from Federal. A 64 gr bullet @ 3168 fps from a 14.5" barrel. That's an increase of 322 fps over a brass cased 64 gr round.

I read through the comments on Youtube, and someone asked where Geissele got them. Geissele's response:

Federal stated that they should be shipping soon. Standby for SHOT Show for more details from Federal.

This seems like a pretty big freaking deal no?

 

[Taudisio]

In the Geissele video posted today, they are shooting 5.56mm with Peak Alloy 5.56mm from Federal. A 64 gr bullet @ 3168 fps from a 14.5" barrel. That's an increase of 322 fps over a brass cased 64 gr round.

I read through the comments on Youtube, and someone asked where Geissele got them. Geissele's response:

Federal stated that they should be shipping soon. Standby for SHOT Show for more details from Federal.

This seems like a pretty big freaking deal no?

Yes that’s a big deal. I’ll have my eyes out for further info. Even if you can’t reload the alloy, factory ammo that smokes any speed a guy could hope to gain from reloading brass is pretty awesome. Hopefully it’s decently accurate.

 

[hereinaz]

I’ll swing by Federal at SHOT to see.

I am sure research was done for military purposes so it makes sense to see a 5.56 come out.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

Did the vid mention a beefier AR to handle the increased pressure?

 

[hereinaz]

Did the vid mention a beefier AR to handle the increased pressure?

If the stronger steel contains the additional pressure, does the barrel/action need to be stronger? Does bolt thrust increase? Does the barrel need to be stronger?

I haven’t seen that part of the equation and don’t know. I am curious about this…

 

[wind gypsy]

Sooo how long til they start loading 77 TMKs in those magic steel casings?

 

[wind gypsy]

If the stronger steel contains the additional pressure, does the barrel/action need to be stronger? Does bolt thrust increase? Does the barrel need to be stronger?

I haven’t seen that part of the equation and don’t know. I am curious about this…

Seems much more straight forward in a bolt gun but with a gas system it seems an additional 20k psi has further reaching impacts?

First thought is, what did they have to do to make gassers play nice with the 277 fury?

 

[Fireflyfishing]

If the stronger steel contains the additional pressure, does the barrel/action need to be stronger? Does bolt thrust increase? Does the barrel need to be stronger?

I haven’t seen that part of the equation and don’t know. I am curious about this…

Going off the claims on the 7BC needing a stronger action, I would assume the AR would need to be different as well. Just a guess.

 

[Axlrod]

Did the vid mention a beefier AR to handle the increased pressure?

In the comments Geissele said it was a "14.5" GFR platform chambered in 5.56".
In the vid, loaded every other one, all the cases ejected the same. He said "it works just like a brass case, and recoil is the same"

 

[Mountain_Life]

Federal is amazing! Defying physics, one cartridge at a time.

 

[Fireflyfishing]

In the comments Geissele said it was a "14.5" GFR platform chambered in 5.56".
In the vid, loaded every other one, all the cases ejected the same. He said "it works just like a brass case, and recoil is the same"

Wonder how much one of those costs?

 

[5811]

Going off the claims on the 7BC needing a stronger action, I would assume the AR would need to be different as well. Just a guess.

Yeah, but how much of that is posturing to sell new guns for the companies that backed federal by coming out with options right away.

 

[ARK_Ginger]

Saw the clip yesterday and it really piqued my interest. I hope they offer it in several varieties soon.

 

[wind gypsy]

Where was it said that companies needed stronger actions to handle 7 Backcountry pressures?

I doubt all these guys are making beefier actions all of a sudden for the 7 BC.

 

[Axlrod]

Yeah, but how much of that is posturing to sell new guns for the companies that backed federal by coming out with options right away.

I didn't see where they need stronger actions. There were something like 80 guns to be initially chambered in the 7BC, including Savage. Would they all redesign their guns to be stronger for an unknown cartridge? That is a big investment with a big downside, if so.

If it is true that this 5.56 is coming out, it would need to safely function in all existing guns chambered in 5.56.
If it needed stronger actions, they would have probably brought out a proprietary cartridge in .224".

 

[Fireflyfishing]

Yeah, but how much of that is posturing to sell new guns for the companies that backed federal by coming out with options right away.

IDK. What I do know is gas guns are rated to lower psi loads compared to the same cartridge in a bolt action. So….

It’s an interesting conspiracy theory to sell more stuff in the industry as a whole with a complete change over in ammunition. I’ve considered it myself.

I for one am not falling for the steel case snake oil until I have to…which is a ways out as I have many firearms and reloading components for brass cartridges. My 22-250 shoots a 77 TMK @3100 fps. So I have a .224 caliber that already surpasses what that steel case ammo claims to achieve. Being a reloaded I have zero interest in steel cases.

 

[Axlrod]

Sooo how long til they start loading 77 TMKs in those magic steel casings?

Who knows. If they do it will be by pure accident!

They do offer the 69 & 77 SMK in the 223 line now.
If they ever do offer the 77 TMK I will buy a bunch, and throw my loading dies away!

Or I can wait for the Peak alloy 6CM w/115 D-tac!

 

[Fireflyfishing]

You guys may be correct. I know when I watched the Seekins ph3 vid, they said their action is more robust to handle higher psi since the industry is moving that direction.

 

[wind gypsy]

You guys may be correct. I know when I watched the Seekins ph3 vid, they said their action is more robust to handle higher psi since the industry is moving that direction.

I caught that as well and felt it was left pretty open for interpretation. I took it as it has plenty of safety factor built into it that aligns well with the direction things are going with more high pressure cartridges not necessarily that the prior generation couldn't handle it. My interpretation or gut feel on that could certainly be off the mark though!

 

[wind gypsy]

Who knows. If they do it will be by pure accident!

They do offer the 69 & 77 SMK in the 223 line now.
If they ever do offer the 77 TMK I will buy a bunch, and throw my loading dies away!

Or I can wait for the Peak alloy 6CM w/115 D-tac!

They load TMK in their TRU law enforcement lineup.

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