Federal 6.5 Backcountry?

[The Guide]

All I remember was people who bought Savage 7 BC's having issues with extraction.

It came down to an ammo issue on early release ammunition. They changed the case design shortly after release. It was nothing noticeable and many users assume that they increased/decreased the thickness or hardness of the nickel case coating.

Jay

 

[The Guide]

That's because half the problem is because its a savage.

Mine runs just fine. Accurate, feeds and extracts without issue, and for a sub $600 rifle is a great value. If someone was adverse to using smaller calibers for big game and only shoots factory ammo the 20" Savage Trophy Trail Hunter Lite would be a great option. Not everyone has the need for a high dollar rifle.

Jay

 

[Andouille]

What makes you assume this?

You gotta remember case head diameter of 473 VS 532. They're pretty close to the same.

I disagree, its not as simple as a quick visual comparison. Lets consider that surface area for a circle increases exponentially with radius. Accordingly, a magnum 0.532" bolt face has approximately 26% higher bolt thrust (in ft-lbs) at the same given psi loading as a standard case head. This means a non-trivial 26% more stress on case head face, bolt face, lugs, and receiver ring.

 

[Treelineasassin]

I disagree, its not as simple as a quick visual comparison. Lets consider that surface area for a circle increases exponentially with radius. Accordingly, a magnum 0.532" bolt face has approximately 26% higher bolt thrust (in ft-lbs) at the same given psi loading as a standard case head. This means a non-trivial 26% more stress on case head face, bolt face, lugs, and receiver ring.

I was inferring magnum 60k psi & peak alloy 80k psi were near the same bolt thrust numbers. You and I are agreeing with the same concept.

 

[UnckleBob]

I was inferring magnum 60k psi & peak alloy 80k psi were near the same bolt thrust numbers. You and I are agreeing with the same concept.

In one of the various interviews of Federal PR guys and engineers, they said the technology works best in narrow powder columns like the 7BC has.

 

[NDHUNTER24]

Mine runs just fine. Accurate, feeds and extracts without issue, and for a sub $600 rifle is a great value. If someone was adverse to using smaller calibers for big game and only shoots factory ammo the 20" Savage Trophy Trail Hunter Lite would be a great option. Not everyone has the need for a high dollar rifle.

Jay

My biggest gripe is they are clunky to cycle. I can't say I've seen any newer models in the last couple years. For the price they seem to shoot great especiallyfor the price. My savage 10 PC in 308 was a tac driver. I just jumped on the bandwagon for tikkas after having issues with a different rifle "sendero" and I don't really regret it.

 

[The Guide]

My biggest gripe is they are clunky to cycle. I can't say I've seen any newer models in the last couple years. For the price they seem to shoot great especiallyfor the price. My savage 10 PC in 308 was a tac driver. I just jumped on the bandwagon for tikkas after having issues with a different rifle "sendero" and I don't really regret it.

It's not Tikka quality but does well for a budget friendly rifle. Now, the Axis line... Those are something not really worth the investment.

Jay

 

[Panthercove]

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[Treelineasassin]

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He posted in comments below he made it up to 3300mv. In the 65cm he was using N150, I asked to confirm if it was the same powder in 6cm, he said no.

 

[Panthercove]

He also said he used regular dies but will be coming out with reloading vid/info soon

 

[Treelineasassin]

He also said he used regular dies but will be coming out with reloading vid/info soon

Sounds like getting the right neck tension is the hard part, and carbide mandrels are needed.

 

[Panthercove]

Sounds like getting the right neck tension is the hard part, and carbide mandrels are needed.

Agreed, I’m sure there’s going to be lots of nuances to experiment with. I’m curious if hydro-forming is possible for some wildcats

 

[Crebel18]

The only rifles they don't recommend them in us break open rifles like the CVA Scout.

I think they are probably fine in any bolt action rifle of a reasonable modern design because the case acts as an independent pressure vessel.

Thompson center is testing it in the encore right now. Crossing my fingers its good to go. I think the encore is a stronger action than the scout but I'm just assuming that.

 

[bnewt3]

Im not familiar with any break actions except shotguns.

But on Vortex Nation with the Fed guys it was explained that the type of action lockup is the question. Does it lock only on the bottom and therefore any flexing creates a gap at the top of the action potentially exposing the base of the case, even if its tiny.

 

[Subs]

Anyone have an idea on whether it'll be fine to shoot these in Tikkas?

There has been some discussion of this on Reddit and apparently someone got an official reply from Beretta that they are not recommending the use of +Peak ammo in their actions. Really hope that’s just the legal answer for CYA and then it’s reversed after testing.

 

[Crebel18]

It only locks on the bottom, from what I've read the bolt thrust is a problem with some heavy calibers in the encore stretching the frame. Im curious if the plus peak case taking most of the increased pressure results in a similar bolt thrust as the brass equivalents. They said they'd have the results next week. Hopefully they're close ties to hornady don't influence them.

 

[JohnJohnson]

There has been some discussion of this on Reddit and apparently someone got an official reply from Beretta that they are not recommending the use of +Peak ammo in their actions. Really hope that’s just the legal answer for CYA and then it’s reversed after testing.

If confirmed that'll be a shame. I was planning on grabbing a hunting weight barrel for my Lone Peak anyway though since I just enjoy shooting it more than my other actions.

 

[bnewt3]

If confirmed that'll be a shame. I was planning on grabbing a hunting weight barrel for my Lone Peak anyway though since I just enjoy shooting it more than my other actions.

I wouldnt read too much into it yet.

An official "not recommended" right now should be the default of any company that hasnt gone through their own testing.


PS:
Knowing the Fins and their lack of tolerating BS, they *could* be waiting until ammo becomes available to the public and will buy that to subvert any "Fed hand-picked the ammo they sent us"

Or who knows, maybe they dont like that Fed is gatekeeping this stuff and so they arent playing the game at all.

LOTS of possibilities that may or may not lead back to +Peak being unsafe in a TIkka.

 

[Flack]

I think it’s a win. I’m glad they just improved the 6.5 creed instead of a new cartridge. You can use your 6.5 for nrl and throw in plus peak for hunting. That’s something in my opinion.

Also, what it means for current cartridges getting peak alloy. Federal, please make a 338 federal plus peak.

I've been on the fence about reboring a 7-08 that doesn't shoot too well to 358 win for a while to get a short range thumper... if they did 338 Fed +Peak I would rebore to that in a heartbeat. It would make it a long range thumper as well. Imagine 250's close to or at 2700fps, basically a 338 win mag in a short action.

 

[NuclearGrave]

I've been on the fence about reboring a 7-08 that doesn't shoot too well to 358 win for a while to get a short range thumper... if they did 338 Fed +Peak I would rebore to that in a heartbeat. It would make it a long range thumper as well. Imagine 250's close to or at 2700fps, basically a 338 win mag in a short action.

I agree. It would be an amazing candidate. I had acquired some 277 fury cases and considered trying some hand loads 338 fed at higher pressures to see what I can get it to do.