Eradication of Mule Deer on Catalina Island

[Big Sky Guy]

Watching this now.

It seems pretty clear to me that they are taking a similar approach to mule deer as Montana has to wild hogs.

Eliminate the supply (mule deer) and you will not have to deal with any demand (hunters).

Honesty would go a long ways, just say you don’t want to deal with hunting and the management that comes with it.

 

[yourpal_al]

Good video, thanks for sharing

 

[Axlrod]

Watching this now.

It seems pretty clear to me that they are taking a similar approach to mule deer as Montana has to wild hogs.

Eliminate the supply (mule deer) and you will not have to deal with any demand (hunters).

Honesty would go a long ways, just say you don’t want to deal with hunting and the management that comes with it.

How is this the same? There are no wild hogs in North America. There are feral hogs, an invasive species. Feral hogs have not ever been present in Montana. Allowing feral hogs to establish themselves in Montana would be a very stupid idea.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

What is forgotten by lots of people who visit Catalina , is that this island is completely different from ALL the rest of the islands in that it has the two cities (even tho small) and a permanent population. It will NEVER be turned back to what it was pre white man.
The rest of the Channel Islands are either owned by the US Navy where no entry is allowed or by the state of California and require a permit to visit.

 

[Big Sky Guy]

How is this the same? There are no wild hogs in North America. There are feral hogs, an invasive species. Feral hogs have not ever been present in Montana. Allowing feral hogs to establish themselves in Montana would be a very stupid idea.

Correct. I was referring to the supply and demand relationship of the resource.

Montana has kept hunting hogs illegal to ensure there is never a demand for hunting them and no incentive for folks to release them to have a huntable population.

Similarly if you shut down the hunting program and then completely remove the supply then the result is the same - there will be no demand for hunting them.

 

[Skerhunter]

Great doc showcasing the usual suspects trying to find new reasons to prevent people from hunting.

 

[signing off]

The video was missing a significant part of the conservancys argument for eradication. An exclusion area was mentioned but never explained or added to the conversation.
If they had a showcase of non browsed, healthy plants and said "This is what our goal is", people could judge that as worth the effort. Or not worth the effort to remove the mule deer.
I bet they have deep enough pockets to fence large areas and in a few years time, those results would speak for themselves. Personally, I don't believe the flora would show the rebound and diversification they are hiding behind.
But then again, a preferred food source/plant can really get hammered by deer. So it's possible that a lot of plants are being repressed or wiped out.
It's complicated.
Did the woman take the video crew to the exclusion area and the footage was not included???
Or, was it not part of the days events?

 

[Cant hit em]

The video was missing a significant part of the conservancys argument for eradication. An exclusion area was mentioned but never explained or added to the conversation.
If they had a showcase of non browsed, healthy plants and said "This is what our goal is", people could judge that as worth the effort. Or not worth the effort to remove the mule deer.
I bet they have deep enough pockets to fence large areas and in a few years time, those results would speak for themselves. Personally, I don't believe the flora would show the rebound and diversification they are hiding behind.
But then again, a preferred food source/plant can really get hammered by deer. So it's possible that a lot of plants are being repressed or wiped out.
It's complicated.
Did the woman take the video crew to the exclusion area and the footage was not included???
Or, was it not part of the days events?

They were talking in the exclusion area when she was explaining the animals such as quail and a bird thats only on the island that rely on the certain shrubs and explaining how fire resistant they are ….if I’m not mistaking


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