Dt1 vs highcamp 7000

[TheRambler]

I personally prefer small pouches on the hipbelt. I feel the bigger ones dange and kinda bounce around too much.

 

[Superdeuce]

I was thinking more on the hips/sides of bag at the bottom. Roger on the smalls for the actual belt location.

 

[Superdeuce]

Can someone with a HC4800 add the dimensions in relation to the comparison quoted below. Wondering if an elk or moose quarter will fit. Thanks.

DT1 is 30.5(bottom)x31(height, height is 41 with snow collar fully extended)x42(top)

Highcamp is 36(bot)x33.5(height)x45(top)

The Highcamp is only a few inches wider, but otherwise is about the same. If you remove the snow collar from the DT1 you are nowhere near the same capacity pack anymore. Remember that pack width will not increase dramatically between the two packs, maybe an inch or so due to a packs rounded general shape that extra width is distributed all the way around the pack and not just to the sides.

 

[justin davis]

I like mediums for the side of the pack

 

[Superdeuce]

Hey Justin, I revived an old thread for my question on HC4800 dimensions vs HC7000. I guess I would throw a DT2 into the mix too. I picked up a BT1 and daydreaming now about a duplex frame and bag for strictly dayhunt and heavy meat packing duty. I know the "go big or go home" argument, and "better to compress too much bag than try to expand not enough", but I just received my BT1 which will see multi day hunt use so really don't need more pack than required for the intended use in this instance.

Thinking of the setup I would grab if I forgot to screen a call from a hunting buddy during the season when I know he is on a moose or elk hunt... or likewise, a pack to throw at an un-assuming friend after I ask them if they could help do me a "favor". Will be minimal gear, so limiting factor I think is opening circumference mostly for dumping in a bone-in quarter. Was thinking not having too much bag would make it easier to get the load elevated and tight.

I know the BT1 will do it all but that would not be any fun, and I would feel somewhat guilty lending an un-assuming brother-in-law my old trapper nelson.

 

[wapitibob]

Elk, bone in hind quarter will easily fit in my HC4800. The bulk of it will fit in the GenII meat bag, hanging inside the 4800.

 

[Ironman8]

Elk, bone in hind quarter will easily fit in my HC4800. The bulk of it will fit in the GenII meat bag, hanging inside the 4800.

How many days worth of gear can you fit inside the 4800? I'm really debating between the 4800 and 7000 but I figure if I'm packing out an elk then I'm making at least 2 trips which means I can pack out camp in two runs. There's also the option to add pockets/pods to the 4800 to increase volume if I do go on an extended hunt.

Dotman has been really helpful to me talking about these packs and he suggested the 7000.

 

[Rizzy]

I just did 4 days easily out my 4800, and that was with no side pockets. I had everything in the main compartment except spotter and tripod. I have no reservation about doing up to 10 days out of it. However to haul Elk quarters plus all your gear would take some external pockets. In preparation for this I am going to add some pockets. I ordered a large side pocket to house my possibles and some other stuff, and I have a long pocket that I will use also. I have a KU medium pod and long pocket that I will use for stuff sacks than storage also. The 4800 is plenty big, I don't compress my sleeping bag all the way, and I don't compress anything else at all when I pack it up and there is lots of room for food.

No matter what bag I use I know I would always be utilizing external pockets while hauling meat. In retrospect this is only about 20% of the time as I spend considerable more time scouting. With either bag when they are only half full it's hard to strap a spotter or tripod on to the side. I feel I would be fighting this constantly with the 7000 because I would never be able to fill it up with gear. Also it would fit more meat and gear than I could haul!

 

[justin davis]

How many days worth of gear can you fit inside the 4800? I'm really debating between the 4800 and 7000 but I figure if I'm packing out an elk then I'm making at least 2 trips which means I can pack out camp in two runs. There's also the option to add pockets/pods to the 4800 to increase volume if I do go on an extended hunt.

Dotman has been really helpful to me talking about these packs and he suggested the 7000.

I would say 5 days worth of gear. But it also depends alot on the person and his gear/packing. Some guys could make it work for more days.

I would go with the 7,000. I prefer the bigger bag. Like mentioned early my mentality of compressing a bigger bag and having the room if I need it. Compared to a smaller bag wishing I had more room.

 

[colonel00]

I just did 4 days easily out my 4800, and that was with no side pockets. I had everything in the main compartment except spotter and tripod. I have no reservation about doing up to 10 days out of it. However to haul Elk quarters plus all your gear would take some external pockets. In preparation for this I am going to add some pockets. I ordered a large side pocket to house my possibles and some other stuff, and I have a long pocket that I will use also. I have a KU medium pod and long pocket that I will use for stuff sacks than storage also. The 4800 is plenty big, I don't compress my sleeping bag all the way, and I don't compress anything else at all when I pack it up and there is lots of room for food.

No matter what bag I use I know I would always be utilizing external pockets while hauling meat. In retrospect this is only about 20% of the time as I spend considerable more time scouting. With either bag when they are only half full it's hard to strap a spotter or tripod on to the side. I feel I would be fighting this constantly with the 7000 because I would never be able to fill it up with gear. Also it would fit more meat and gear than I could haul!

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Kind of hard to see in the photo but how did you attach/pack the spotter and tripod? This is the only thing that I have concerns about as I am on the verge of pulling the trigger on a Highcamp bag. I am just not seeing a good way to attach long pockets to carry a spotter. A tripod can always be lashed just about anywhere but I would really like some sort of pocket for a spotter.

 

[Shrek]

Long pockets attach to the sides. When I had my 4800 high camp I used a ul long pocket for the spotter. I have sold the high camp and have a DT1 now but if I were to get another high camp it would be the 7000 not the 4800. Difference in weight and bulk when compressed is negligible but the room is priceless in BFE if you need it. A 7000 with a trimmed long hunter lid is a pretty good combo imo and what I may buy in the future if the GIF keeps whispering in my ear. The trimmed T1 bag is a really good option also but the main bag is "only" 5200 ci but the built in organization is nice.

 

[fillthefreezer]

How many days worth of gear can you fit inside the 4800? I'm really debating between the 4800 and 7000 but I figure if I'm packing out an elk then I'm making at least 2 trips which means I can pack out camp in two runs. There's also the option to add pockets/pods to the 4800 to increase volume if I do go on an extended hunt.

Dotman has been really helpful to me talking about these packs and he suggested the 7000.

if all your food is gone when its times to pack i could do all my gear and a full meat baggy with only spotter and tripod outside. 5 days is about all i think i could do out of this bag as i would run out of room for food.
i have not done it yet as this bag recently showed up for my wife, but when i was packing for a trip and i loaded so i could tell Brock A with certainty he could do 5 days. its the HC4800 with LH lid and 2 med belt pockets so its almost like a timberline with no side pockets...
but like i said, ive only packed it, ii run the BT1

 

[Rizzy]

I used the side compression straps along with the top portion of a gunbearer to carry my Viper 65 spotter. As you can see in the photo it came out of the compression straps and the gunbearer is holding it in the center. My bag was not full enough for the compression straps to be able to really hold the spotter. I have not figured out a good way to carry it yet. I have a long pocket I can use as a last resort for the season, but I would rather find a more streamlined, bikinized way to carry it using straps. The loops on the lid would be great for a spotter but I don't really like the initially like the idea of carrying that much weight that high. I'll have to try it and see, maybe the 26" frame I have will carry it better than I think. The vertical compression straps on the bottom ended up working good for the tripod.

I'm 6-1 and 165, the 4800 sticks out just enough on the sides to still be comfortable and not get to tipsy if you loose your balance or are in a technical section. It's more tipsy than my 3700 was, but not enough to be an issue.

 

[Shrek]

If you go by the rule of thumb that you need 1000ci a day the 4800 high camp is a five day bag and that was what I came up with when I loaded mine up with a mock five day load. If all your gear was minimalist and packed it tight you could go 7 days but more than that would have to hang outside the main bag. No room for meat inside the bag with a five day load.

 

[justin davis]

I carry my spotter and tripod in my pack for the most part. If my pack is "full" and I decide to carry spotter and tripod on the outside. I carry them in side long pockets (ultralight material pockets).

 

[Rizzy]

I carry my spotter and tripod in my pack for the most part. If my pack is "full" and I decide to carry spotter and tripod on the outside. I carry them in side long pockets (ultralight material pockets).

Do you carry it up high under the lid or more in the center next to the water bladder?

 

[justin davis]

Do you carry it up high under the lid or more in the center next to the water bladder?

When inside my pack I usually carry the scope and tripod on the sides next to the water bladder. Fits nicely and easy to grab. Just open the lid and grab.

Does that make sense? So they are inside the pack but toward the edge.(on side of bladder).

 

[DWarcher]

I carry my spotter and tripod in my pack for the most part. If my pack is "full" and I decide to carry spotter and tripod on the outside. I carry them in side long pockets (ultralight material pockets).

I have a Longhunter bag with a cut-up Longhunter lid which has been a great combo for me...I just pack my spotter in the main bag and strap my tripod on the side. I would go with the 7000 for sure.

 

[Rizzy]

I'll have to try that too

 

[Ironman8]

First I'll say that I agree with alot of y'all's advice about going with the bigger bag, since it's kinda hard to make more space, but you can sure cinch it down. It's not much difference in weight or price, so I wouldn't feel bad about carrying around 3 extra oz of bag if I didn't fill it completely.

But just playing devil's advocate, and throwing the weight and cost argument out of the mix, if you got the 4800 along with pockets/grab-it/pods/ect. to equal ~7000ci, wouldn't you have a more versatile bag than just the HC7000 by itself?

You'd have a smaller bag when you stripped it down for scouting/backpacking and a larger bag with organization (pockets) when you need more volume for extended trips and/or hauling meat/camp.

I tend to like pockets for organizing gear, so that's why the 4800 + pockets is even a consideration...but I know it's more of a convenience than anything, a big bag would work perfectly fine.

Am I missing anything?