DRT Terminal shock results on game

[Jfjfrye]

 

[Macintosh]

I see people mentioning meat around the wound channel discolored from tungsten powder. The main reason Ive been shooting monos is to minimize meat damage. Are you eating this discolored meat, or trimming it? Is there an off flavor or texture? Compare to meat loss with a fragmenting lead bullet?

 

[Jfjfrye]

I see people mentioning meat around the wound channel discolored from tungsten powder. The main reason Ive been shooting monos is to minimize meat damage. Are you eating this discolored meat, or trimming it? Is there an off flavor or texture? Compare to meat loss with a fragmenting lead bullet?

Anything that’s affected by the bullet is usually non edible and it’s trimmed out no matter what type of bullet.

 

[WI-Carcosa]

I see people mentioning meat around the wound channel discolored from tungsten powder. The main reason Ive been shooting monos is to minimize meat damage. Are you eating this discolored meat, or trimming it? Is there an off flavor or texture? Compare to meat loss with a fragmenting lead bullet?

I am trimming the discolored meat but thus far it is less to trim than when I shot deer with lead frangible and I am less concerned with a piece of tungsten in the grind than some lead if I did miss something small. I need more data points, but so far these perform like a lead frangible, perhaps not quite as destructive as an eldm/tmk/sst. I should have a few more at the very least data points to post after this upcoming weekend

 

[hibernation]

I see people mentioning meat around the wound channel discolored from tungsten powder. The main reason Ive been shooting monos is to minimize meat damage. Are you eating this discolored meat, or trimming it? Is there an off flavor or texture? Compare to meat loss with a fragmenting lead bullet?

Anyone have any data on tungsten and human health? Or wildlife? I realize that lead in meat is a controversial topic, but that's a consideration for a lot of people currently using monos. I'm a little hesitant to jump on some other heavy metal without much research to point to.

 

[cubdriver84d]

Anyone have any data on tungsten and human health? Or wildlife? I realize that lead in meat is a controversial topic, but that's a consideration for a lot of people currently using monos. I'm a little hesitant to jump on some other heavy metal without much research to point to.

Tungsten shot has been considered nontoxic for a while (along with steel, bismuth, etc). Here's the gist of what perplexity gave me when I asked for a comparison to lead:

 

[hibernation]

Tungsten shot has been considered nontoxic for a while (along with steel, bismuth, etc). Here's the gist of what perplexity gave me when I asked for a comparison to lead:View attachment 969502

Good point. The difference in surface area could matter here for absorption, distinct pellets vs sintered powder. The rarity of tungsten poisoning is kind of what interests me, is that mostly because we don't have much exposure?

 

[cubdriver84d]

Good point. The difference in surface area could matter here for absorption, distinct pellets vs sintered powder. The rarity of tungsten poisoning is kind of what interests me, is that mostly because we don't have much exposure?

Seems like there is more to it than surface area. Beyond jewelry, bullets, and new fishing weights, yeah I'm not sure how much exposure the general public gets to tungsten.

 

[Quercus]

Tungsten is more of an issue for metal workers breathing in the dust. I mostly eat fish and meat killed with DRT bullets and while my tungsten levels are slightly high relative to the general population, they are well below metal workers so I am not concerned. No idea if it is related to the DRT bullets. I am better about trimming than I used to be as well.

I get my heavy metals tested every so often to keep tabs on mercury from fish and lead styphnate from primers. Here's the tungsten reference blurb from my test results. The 4.26 μg/g figure is from a Frenchman who drank wine poured through a tungsten artillery barrel and the 5.2 μg/g figure from a study of metal workers in Italy IIRC. Very small sample size for the general public.

Tungsten


The relationship between the levels of Tungsten (W) in hair and exposure/body burdenhas yet to be established. W has no known biological role. Long-term chronic exposureshave been associated with lung disease (pneumoconiosis or ”hard metal lung disease”)and lung cancer. Skin contact with W may produce contact eczema, pruritis, folliculitis,and neurodermatitis. Tungsten appears to have an antagonistic relationship to Modecreasing hepatic Mo concentration and reducing the effectiveness of sulfite andxanthine oxidases.


Tungsten is a silvery-white lustrous element usually obtained as a grey powder and ismainly utilized as tungsten carbide in metallurgy, mining and petroleum industries.Calcium and magnesium tungstates are widely used in as filaments for electric lamps,electron tubes and television tubes. Since Tungsten has the highest melting point of allmetals it is used for high-speed and hot-worked steels. Other sources of W includecatalysts and reagents in biological analysis, fire and waterproof materials, and industriallubrifications.


Acute environmental exposures have been detected in hair (4.26 μg/g) up to two monthsafter ingestion of a tungsten containing beverage. Other limited data suggests meanvalues of .015 μg/g in pubic hair for nonexposed persons and 5.2 μg/g in pubic hair forexposed persons. Intestinal absorption of tungsten is rapid and seemingly significant. Wis rapidly transported to the blood and then to the kidneys for filtration and eventualexcretion from the body. Pulmonary absorption of W-tungstic oxide has been studied indogs. 60% of W is rapidly deposited in the respiratory tract and 33% of that fractionreaches systemic circulation. Tungsten is also easily transferred from mother to fetus,usually later in gestation.

 

[hibernation]

Tungsten is more of an issue for metal workers breathing in the dust. I mostly eat fish and meat killed with DRT bullets and while my tungsten levels are slightly high relative to the general population, they are well below metal workers so I am not concerned. No idea if it is related to the DRT bullets. I am better about trimming than I used to be as well.

I get my heavy metals tested every so often to keep tabs on mercury from fish and lead styphnate from primers. Here's the tungsten reference blurb from my test results.

That's amazing information, thanks for sharing. I hadn't considered getting my own levels tested, was that hard for you to set up? Did you go through your doctor or more of a specialist?

The 4.26 μg/g figure is from a Frenchman who drank wine poured through a tungsten artillery barrel

I have so many questions.