Does the Public lands pushback undermine Hunt Quietly?

[Z71&Gun]

Not even a little.

Every hunting influencer can and should stand up for public lands. They don’t have to do it by posting the same dead animal they posted 10 times already with captions like “without public lands I wouldn’t have killed this big buck/bull and be able to tag all my sponsors and get famous.”

I don’t get why it’s so hard to advocate for conservation, habitat, public lands, etc without pimping onX, Gohunt, all the clothing and gear companies, zillions of how to apply videos. Other than the obvious - $$$

And BHA is problematic for one main reason, R3. They spend the majority of their time and $$$ on recruiting new hunters for one reason and one reason only.. you guessed it, to appease their main sponsors/donors who depend on R3 to sell their products.

For the record recruiting friends, family, neighbors isn’t what HQ is against. R3, giant marketing campaigns, Netflix series, Cam Hanes recruits the general masses to an already over crowded way of life.

With all due respect, this is BS. Just ask Matt or go back and listen to the podcast. He has said many times that the the political influence and constituency supporting hunting isn't that important because anti hunters and politics are a minuscule threat to hunting compared to hunting media. He says it to Randy Newburg, his brother and countless others on his repetitive podcast. So, yeah when BHA, Meateater, Rogan, Cam, Randy and all their followers speak up at such a high level against an existential threat to hunting it is antithetical to the HQ message. I'm sure they'll change it now and try to re-articulate their way around the invalidity of their argument for the hundredth time but just listen to what they have been saying and use some common sense. HQ is a joke. Matt is a nice guy clearly going through some shit, but that's all the benefit of a doubt the project deserves. Beyond that it's an annoying, inconsistent, repetitive, hypocritical joke.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

With all due respect, this is BS. Just ask Matt or go back and listen to the podcast. He has said many times that the the political influence and constituency supporting hunting isn't that important because anti hunters and politics are a minuscule threat to hunting compared to hunting media. He says it to Randy Newburg, his brother and countless others on his repetitive podcast. So, yeah when BHA, Meateater, Rogan, Cam, Randy and all their followers speak up at such a high level against an existential threat to hunting it is antithetical to the HQ message. I'm sure they'll change it now and try to re-articulate their way around the invalidity of their argument for the hundredth time but just listen to what they have been saying and use some common sense. HQ is a joke. Matt is a nice guy clearly going through some shit, but that's all the benefit of a doubt the project deserves. Beyond that it's an annoying, inconsistent, repetitive, hypocritical joke.

There’s a few errors in your rant. With all due respect, you lack reading comprehension as well because you didn’t respond to anything I said directly. You also likely have a personal investment in the message in some form like many that hate Matt. Which is understandable. I’ve both listened and been on the podcast. I see why you’d say that first part but again your comprehension isn’t there. He has said anti hunters aren’t as big a threat, that’s correct. He’s never said a politician like Mike Lee is either or, you can call/email him yourself and ask directly.

In a way HQ is similar to the BHA’s of the world. Theres one mission and there’s no need to cross into other avenues like politics. Just like how so many hunters hate BHA for not taking stances on certain hunting related issues in the past.

The bigger point here - you and any other hunter that thinks this portion of the bill was removed solely because hunting influencers are so ignorant and live in a micro bubble. This bill was met with a fierce army of the American people. Some were hunters, most were not.

 

[MuleDeerMike]

Lots of hunters love to hate on Joe Rogan, Cam Hanes and Rinella. And 7 or 8 years ago they annoyed me as well. But the reality is, in 2025 we are 100% screwed without guys like them having the platforms they do. 100%. Now obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion on this, but that is the stark reality. Times have changed dramatically from even 10 years ago and our world, in every aspect, is evolving at an exponential rate. Tough pill to swallow for a lot of older guys who remember "the good old days" but lashing out isn't gonna stop the anti hunters and public land sharks from taking our way of life. We need more people on our side, and I hate to admit it, but that means we need more people getting into hunting.

 

[ddd-shooter]

. We need more people on our side, and I hate to admit it, but that means we need more people getting into hunting.

Man, it’s hard enough to find a tag or a place to hunt now. Reducing available tags and land to the ones that currently hunt to make way for someone new just doesn’t make sense to me.

How many more hunters do we need? Do you have a quantity?

 

[Will_m]

Why is it that we need more people hunting again? I don’t understand how people got so whipped up into a panic state about anti hunters and the body politic taking away hunting rights or public land nor do I see how “influencers” change this made up threat.

 

[lil' bear]

Hunt quietly is just a drunken family feud because one brother doesn't like the fact his other brother got rich.
On the other hand worshipping influencers is pretty ridiculous. There's no reason Cam hanes needs that many books. He doesn't have that much to say. But I'm sure it'll be a new York times best seller.
In the middle, yes I think that losing our access to lands, coupled with increased pressure is a problem. But we still need to recruit. I only have access to small fractions of land that I had excess to a couple decades ago. But the problem isn't hunters. It's the selling of the land. It's all being sold.
Also I heard podcast a couple months ago where these people were debating the legality of taking a duck from the wild in order to eat it. As if they had never heard of hunting. So clearly we need to do a better job of educating the public that yes we exist.

 

[KurtR]

Man, it’s hard enough to find a tag or a place to hunt now. Reducing available tags and land to the ones that currently hunt to make way for someone new just doesn’t make sense to me.

How many more hunters do we need? Do you have a quantity?

So your saying hey everyone write your senators to save public lands but we don’t really want you to come hunt public lands.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

So your saying hey everyone write your senators to save public lands but we don’t really want you to come hunt public lands.

You can want people to love public lands and recreate on them on one hand while also not encouraging them to become hunters at the same time.

It’s obvious most of you have never listened to Matt’s message. Hunting is quickly becoming a pastime where opportunity is shrinking and costs are rising to the point that it may become something that only the elites can afford. That is reason number one why we don’t need R3 and influencers creating more hunters.

One thing I don’t think Matt touches on enough is for every Steve Rinella, Randy Newberg, or Cam Hanes who seem to be doing it right you have many other influencers who are sharing the unethical, ugly things that shouldn’t be seen by anti hunters and feeding them the fuel they need to eventually be the end of legal hunting as we know it.


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[Z71&Gun]

There’s a few errors in your rant. With all due respect, you lack reading comprehension as well because you didn’t respond to anything I said directly. You also likely have a personal investment in the message in some form like many that hate Matt. Which is understandable. I’ve both listened and been on the podcast. I see why you’d say that first part but again your comprehension isn’t there. He has said anti hunters aren’t as big a threat, that’s correct. He’s never said a politician like Mike Lee is either or, you can call/email him yourself and ask directly.

In a way HQ is similar to the BHA’s of the world. Theres one mission and there’s no need to cross into other avenues like politics. Just like how so many hunters hate BHA for not taking stances on certain hunting related issues in the past.

The bigger point here - you and any other hunter that thinks this portion of the bill was removed solely because hunting influencers are so ignorant and live in a micro bubble. This bill was met with a fierce army of the American people. Some were hunters, most were not.

Apparently you can't read either and we're just talking past each other. This same thing happened in 2016. When addressing the advocacy by BHA and influencers Matt has said we would still be better off without them. The successful pushback by those groups and individuals once again played a role in protecting our interest in hunting. That contradicts Matt's message. I never said I hate Matt or that only hunters spoke out about public land. But come on, look at the influence of Randy Newburg, Joe Rogan, Meateater, the hunting orgs and the while hunting industry and tell me the influence cane mostly from non hunters. It didn't. You think it would have been half as big a deal if left up to hikers and bird watchers. How would the masses have heard about it, the birdwatcher channel? Patagonia TV? Nope. Just like in 2016 the hunting public led by hunting media had an outsized influence in protecting public land. I know that's hard for you guys to accept but it's what happened.

 

[buckrut42]

I don't think it does. He still fights for public spaces.

As far as getting votes in our favor it's not hunters we need. It's non-hunters who support hunting.

Hunters make up a small portion of the US. Hunting supporters are 70-something percent. Those are what we need to keep. Matt Rinella is in line with that, and I'm not really a matt rinella supporter, just acknowledging his good point.

 

[KurtR]

You can want people to love public lands and recreate on them on one hand while also not encouraging them to become hunters at the same time.

It’s obvious most of you have never listened to Matt’s message. Hunting is quickly becoming a pastime where opportunity is shrinking and costs are rising to the point that it may become something that only the elites can afford. That is reason number one why we don’t need R3 and influencers creating more hunters.

One thing I don’t think Matt touches on enough is for every Steve Rinella, Randy Newberg, or Cam Hanes who seem to be doing it right you have many other influencers who are sharing the unethical, ugly things that shouldn’t be seen by anti hunters and feeding them the fuel they need to eventually be the end of legal hunting as we know it.


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So it’s ok to go hike just don’t hunt because I want it all for my self . Interesting.

Maybe it’s time to get rid of youth hunts so we don’t bring in any new hunters.

 

[Z71&Gun]

Why is it that we need more people hunting again? I don’t understand how people got so whipped up into a panic state about anti hunters and the body politic taking away hunting rights or public land nor do I see how “influencers” change this made up threat.

Anti hunters have made it on to Washington's fish and wildlife commission and cancelled spring bear. Utah senators keep trying to sell millions of acres of public land. Not sure what's made up about that. I don't think we need to increase the number of hunters, but as the public gets dumber from tick tock, the news, and reality TV we need to maintain a baseline understanding of what hunting really is among enough people to keep the right to do it. Otherwise the conversation is left to the gay main characters of superhero remakes and everyone thinks hunting is just the unregulated shooting of animals for fun and leaving them there.

 

[Z71&Gun]

I don't think it does. He still fights for public spaces.

As far as getting votes in our favor it's not hunters we need. It's non-hunters who support hunting.

Hunters make up a small portion of the US. Hunting supporters are 70-something percent. Those are what we need to keep. Matt Rinella is in line with that, and I'm not really a matt rinella supporter, just acknowledging his good point.

Who gets more support for hunting from non hunters, Matt or Meateater?

 

[wapitibob]

So it’s ok to go hike just don’t hunt because I want it all for my self . Interesting.

Maybe it’s time to get rid of youth hunts so we don’t bring in any new hunters.

The guys chirping about no new hunters never tell their own kids to stay home; they don't even believe the nonsense they post.

Rinella spends his day trolling influencer accounts then reposts them, whining about influencers posting. If he spent his time promoting his access company maybe people would pay attention.

 

[Andrew12gauge]

The guys chirping about no new hunters never tell their own kids to stay home; they don't even believe the nonsense they post.

Rinella is just a clown. He spends his day trolling influencer accounts then reposts them, whining about influencers posting. If he spent his time promoting his access company maybe people would pay attention.

If you go back to the very beginning of Matt Rinella’s opinions on the matter he has said that friends and family should be recruiting new hunters as we have for generations, not conservation orgs and influencers. Conservation orgs and influencers continue to lie and tell us hunter numbers are shrinking as we have more hunters than almost anytime in history and less places to hunt.


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[Z71&Gun]

Matt is a hunting influencer.

 

[Flyjunky]

Why is it that we need more people hunting again? I don’t understand how people got so whipped up into a panic state about anti hunters and the body politic taking away hunting rights or public land nor do I see how “influencers” change this made up threat.

Hunting rights might not be taken away but hunting seasons for certain animals have definitely been pulled because of anti-hunting groups. Washington spring bear as an example. In Oregon we have a huge mountain lion problem which has been a large factor (imo) in our deer herd crashing because some anti-hunting groups thought it would be a good idea to ban hunting cougars with dogs. Who do you think pushes all these wolf introductions, lawsuits to prevent wolf seasons, bans on seasons, etc come from?

 

[buckrut42]

Who gets more support for hunting from non hunters, Matt or Meateater?

Probably meateater. That doesn't mean hunt quietly is undermined.

 

[deerhunt1988]

Nope.

There is absolutely no denying the damage hunting media/YouTube/influencers have done. When people can't get tags or can't afford to hunt, you start to lose those people on your side as well. When you start charging non-residents $1200 for antelope tags and $2k for elk tags, it is easy to see the direction we are headed. There is going to be a point where other hunters don't give a damn if you lose some public land in your state because your state has already priced/restricted them out of ever being able to hunt there.

From the beginning, I knew influencers would use this public lands deal as a way to pat themselves on the back and justify their means ignoring the significant damage they've caused. I visited a few influencer pages and that is exactly what I saw. Making smart comments above those who oppose them, stuff like "Where are the influencer/YouTube haters now?!?! We just saved this from happening!" Ah, the perpetual influencer circle jerk. Go ahead and ride the gravy train til the end. I honestly couldn't live with myself knowing I sold out for a few bucks and helped destroy hunting opportunities for future generations.

Back to HuntQuietly. HuntQuietly isn't against new hunters. HuntQuietly is more about letting hunting grow organically, not shoving "KILLING FOR CONTENT" down the throats of folks who will just go on to buy the merch and gear of those who influenced them. HuntQuietly covers a ton of great topics and exposes the industry and influencers for what shams they really are.

But to everyone who wants to continue to like and subscribe your hunting opportunities to hell, go ahead. We can all watch it burn together!

 

[Lvball19]

Solid read here