Darwinism. Is Tikka the King

[HighUintas]

Why in the hell hasn't a US mfg copied the bolt/trigger/action design of Tikka yet? If there were a US company that rivaled the quality and design reliability, it'd put the good ole 700 footprints to rest

 

[Helislacker]

I own Tikkas. They’re functional tools.

Blaser is the rifle I’d like.

Likewise. One rifle with two barrels (.223 and 6.5) that can be broken down into the size of a suitcase and then be put back together in less than a minute with absolute repeatability and reliability. The whole package is pretty unbelievable. That said, Tikkas more than fit the bill for my uses currently and getting an AI instead for about the same price as the Blaser would be pretty cool as well.

 

[roosiebull]

I keep circling back to tikka, and just can’t really think of a reason to justify trying others at this point… I’m sure I will, but tikkas do everything I need a rifle to do, and do it well.

Price has almost doubled since my first one, but they are still a deal for me, I have tried to buck the trend, but they are still the most practical to me

 

[4th_point]

Thats ridiculous IME. Been shooting them since 1978 and never, not once have I had any blowback issues, broken shrouds, etc. They can't be beat by anything close to $750.

JGR,

Have you blown a primer, had case head separation, case hoop stress failure, etc. where gas had leaked from the chamber back into the action of a Tikka?

Every design is great when things go as expected.

Jason

 

[PNWGATOR]

Why in the hell hasn't a US mfg copied the bolt/trigger/action design of Tikka yet? If there were a US company that rivaled the quality and design reliability, it'd put the good ole 700 footprints to rest

This is a PERFECT opportunity for @Unknown Munitions to own the market with the ideal action and trigger assembly.

Just sayin’ Jake…

 

[4th_point]

Sauer 100 is closest thing for the price and I actually think it is an extremely well built gun for same $, but much less aftermarket stuff

I like the 100 in theory but haven't owned one. Stock geometry might be good for rifle motion.

The action design is not poka-yoke in terms of installing the bolt into the receiver. Don't ask me how I know!

 

[4th_point]

Why in the hell hasn't a US mfg copied the bolt/trigger/action design of Tikka yet? If there were a US company that rivaled the quality and design reliability, it'd put the good ole 700 footprints to rest

That's a fair question, but maybe they don't want to. What you want, and what shareholders or interested parties want might be different things.

The 700 footprint has become somewhat of a standard and sells well. Why change, unless the market demands it?

 

[Ryan Avery]

That's a fair question, but maybe they don't want to. What you want, and what shareholders or interested parties want might be different things.

The 700 footprint has become somewhat of a standard and sells well. Why change, unless the market demands it?

Once you have been ****** by a 700 trigger on an animal of a lifetime you will understand.

 

[PNWGATOR]

That's a fair question, but maybe they don't want to. What you want, and what shareholders or interested parties want might be different things.

The 700 footprint has become somewhat of a standard and sells well. Why change, unless the market demands it?

Because the 700 trigger, including aftermarket alternatives, fails.

 

[4th_point]

This is a PERFECT opportunity for @Unknown Munitions to own the market with the ideal action and trigger assembly.

Just sayin’ Jake…

That's another one of those situations where the market needs to be savvy enough and demanding enough to encourage manufacturers to create new designs. And deal with the performance tradeoffs.

Once the market research, R&D, tooling, etc. are paid for, how many commercial customers are going to buy one?

The money seems to be in high volume designs like the RAR.

 

[4th_point]

Once you have been ****** by a 700 trigger on an animal of a lifetime you will understand.

You don't need to convince me. You need to convince the manufacturers.

 

[HighUintas]

Startup costs I'm sure would be through the roof. Especially if the mfg was going to do the same level of QC as Tikka/Sako.

There's a pretty interesting video on YouTube showing some of the manufacturing and QC in the Sako and Tikka plant. One shot in particular is showing and automated measurement device that is measuring critical dimensions of the actions after milling and finishing. I wish I knew the cost of that machine.

 

[Ryan Avery]

You don't need to convince me. You need to convince the manufacturers.

Already in motion

 

[HighUintas]

After it's established that a US firearm mfg can turn something out like a Tikka, for the same cost or less (shouldn't it be cheaper due to domestic production?) I would think it would become the next 700 or model 70. I'd get in line for at least 5 rifles. Maybe more, but my wife would probably take away my CC for good.

 

[PNWGATOR]

That's another one of those situations where the market needs to be savvy enough and demanding enough to encourage manufacturers to create new designs. And deal with the performance tradeoffs.

Once the market research, R&D, tooling, etc. are paid for, how many commercial customers are going to buy one?

The money seems to be in high volume designs like the RAR.

Precisely.

I’m thankful for the Rokslide community for the knowledge to make the correct choices regarding gear that functions.

 

[4th_point]

There's a pretty interesting video on YouTube showing some of the manufacturing and QC in the Sako and Tikka plant. One shot in particular is showing and automated measurement device that is measuring critical dimensions of the actions after milling and finishing. I wish I knew the cost of that machine.

I haven't seen the video that you mentioned. Maybe a CMM for the inspection? That would be my guess. Or a profilometer or comparator but that wouldn't look as sexy in a video.

I would exercise some caution seeing fancy machines making in-process measurements and jumping to conclusions. I've performed tests on those measurement machines, and operators, under controlled environments. You might be surprised by the results.

 

[4th_point]

Because the 700 trigger, including aftermarket alternatives, fails.

FWIW, I have performed tests on 700 triggers and other designs. They all pretty much suck, but some 700 pattern triggers suck the most.

My background is in product development and testing. With experience in Quality Assurance for precision machining. And auditing for quality management systems.

I ain't an expert, but I didn't just fall off of the turnip truck either!

 

[Ryan Avery]

That's another one of those situations where the market needs to be savvy enough and demanding enough to encourage manufacturers to create new designs. And deal with the performance tradeoffs.

Once the market research, R&D, tooling, etc. are paid for, how many commercial customers are going to buy one?

The money seems to be in high volume designs like the RAR.

if you build it they will come.

Hell people are buying Medium actions now….

 

[Ryan Avery]

After it's established that a US firearm mfg can turn something out like a Tikka, for the same cost or less (shouldn't it be cheaper due to domestic production?) I would think it would become the next 700 or model 70. I'd get in line for at least 5 rifles. Maybe more, but my wife would probably take away my CC for good.

Definitely not “cheaper”

 

[khavok]

Tikka Tikka Tikka.

Price, Weight, Aftermarket upgradability, Out of Box accuracy, QA, Drop test

Any negatives? Old Euro Twist Rates, not CRF and Lighter trigger pull possibly

Anything beat it?

Thanks

I have sold quite a few hundred of those rifles and they do not disappoint. They still run SAKO barrels, made by Berretta, and for the price point are hard to beat. However, make your selection purely based on the use of the rifle. Hunting versions with a penciled barrel heat up and cause heat wave effect after 3 shots. Anything prolonged grab their target set up.