CWD

Yes. I only tested when we hunted mandatory testing zones and we waited to eat the ones tested because why not. If not mandatory we haven't tested any of our stuff yet. I probably would be more careful if hunting an area with super high prevalence but we don't though one area we hunt is probably considered a medium prevalence area.
 
No, been around so long I don't know any different. Been getting em tested since the early 2000's (or sooner cant remember at this point) and only had 1 positive. It is so simple to take a sample it has just become second nature at this point. I would not eat it if it was positive. Read into the mad cow outbreaks in Europe. That may change ones mind about consuming it. Cheers!
 
There has been tons of talk about CWD lately, it amazes me that it’s been around since the 60’s and people still don’t know about it.

In over 50 years we’re still The ones in the dark. They’ve done tons of research on how it spreads between ungulates, through predators, etc and understand it in that way but not any idea on its effects on humans, if it can transfer to humans, or anything like that…. But we can have a vaccine for the worlds deadliest disease in less than 60
Days…. So here’s my take on it

You shoot your animal and take it in for testing, drop off ur head or whatever they do now a days, then you take your meat and drop it at the processor, your meat goes through possibly along with others, or how many others go through that day after yours goes through the same knives, saws, grinders, stuffers, etc. let’s say yours is the first one that morning and 50
More after urs. Processor calls you to pick it up and you throw it in the freezer waiting for ur results MONTHS later. Meanwhile 50 other deer that went through after urs had no idea, you waited to eat your animal til tests came back,
others didn’t. Now Mad Cow comes out in a 1lb package of beef and look how many animals are recalled, for safety concerns every single piece of beef between full cleaning cycles.

Your deer comes back positive the suggest you throw it away, but they don’t ask where it was processed so those people can be notified and all 50 of those hunters that their meat could be contaminated as well. Let’s say that processor did large amounts of burger that day and just mixed everyone’s together. There’s 50 people eating CWD deer, without any bit of knowledge. But ur the one throwing away ur meat cause ur the only one that knows. I will also say that heat does not kill the prions (1800° min) so cooking it won’t kill the prions, it takes heavy sanitation techniques to kill prions (bleach, alkaline hydrolysis)

If CWD was that dangerous Wildlife departments would want all the information as far as processing of your animal as well. Is it simply them being lazy? Not caring? Or figuring it’s not that dangerous but they just need to notify people. It comes down to personal preference, just like picking up a roadkill animal it’s up to you whether you want it or not.

Honesty I hate seeing the amount of people who throw it away or give it away or even feed it to their dogs. FYI dogs can spread the prions of CWD through their feces, yes there was a study that 95% of the prions are killed in canine predators stomachs but that other 5% is spread through their feces to grass and dirt which it lives long term as in years.


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Wyoming math, round numbers in 2024
Deer harvest 26,000
Elk harvest 30,000
Total tested animals includes roadkill 5000
So yes, someone is eating untested game meat.
 
BigAntlerGetter said:
There has been tons of talk about CWD lately, it amazes me that it’s been around since the 60’s and people still don’t know about it.

In over 50 years we’re still The ones in the dark. They’ve done tons of research on how it spreads between ungulates, through predators, etc and understand it in that way but not any idea on its effects on humans, if it can transfer to humans, or anything like that…. But we can have a vaccine for the worlds deadliest disease in less than 60
Days…. So here’s my take on it

You shoot your animal and take it in for testing, drop off ur head or whatever they do now a days, then you take your meat and drop it at the processor, your meat goes through possibly along with others, or how many others go through that day after yours goes through the same knives, saws, grinders, stuffers, etc. let’s say yours is the first one that morning and 50
More after urs. Processor calls you to pick it up and you throw it in the freezer waiting for ur results MONTHS later. Meanwhile 50 other deer that went through after urs had no idea, you waited to eat your animal til tests came back,
others didn’t. Now Mad Cow comes out in a 1lb package of beef and look how many animals are recalled, for safety concerns every single piece of beef between full cleaning cycles.

Your deer comes back positive the suggest you throw it away, but they don’t ask where it was processed so those people can be notified and all 50 of those hunters that their meat could be contaminated as well. Let’s say that processor did large amounts of burger that day and just mixed everyone’s together. There’s 50 people eating CWD deer, without any bit of knowledge. But ur the one throwing away ur meat cause ur the only one that knows. I will also say that heat does not kill the prions (1800° min) so cooking it won’t kill the prions, it takes heavy sanitation techniques to kill prions (bleach, alkaline hydrolysis)

If CWD was that dangerous Wildlife departments would want all the information as far as processing of your animal as well. Is it simply them being lazy? Not caring? Or figuring it’s not that dangerous but they just need to notify people. It comes down to personal preference, just like picking up a roadkill animal it’s up to you whether you want it or not.

Honesty I hate seeing the amount of people who throw it away or give it away or even feed it to their dogs. FYI dogs can spread the prions of CWD through their feces, yes there was a study that 95% of the prions are killed in canine predators stomachs but that other 5% is spread through their feces to grass and dirt which it lives long term as in years.


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This is why we do not use processors, well for one of many reasons. If anything more people should test so the state bios can get better data to work with and understand the implications of it on the deer herds.
 
Seeing as CWD cannot be transmitted to humans of course i don’t get my deer tested. Such a monumental waste of time.

Just shows how impressionable and easily manipulated people truly are by the media. They will test for CWD which doesn’t transmit to humans but won’t test for the diseases and parasites deer have that can transmit to humans. Some of y’all need to put your phones down and turn your tvs off once in awhile.
 
Predator_SD said:
Seeing as CWD cannot be transmitted to humans of course i don’t get my deer tested. Such a monumental waste of time.

Just shows how impressionable and easily manipulated people truly are by the media. They will test for CWD which doesn’t transmit to humans but won’t test for the diseases and parasites deer have that can transmit to humans. Some of y’all need to put your phones down and turn your tvs off once in awhile.
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The problem is it cannot be proven that CWD can’t be transmitted to humans (direct human transmission research projects are kind of frowned upon). The fact that it has never been found in humans MIGHT be because no one thought to look. The disease is closely related to human the diseases Alzheimer’s and CJD. Is it possible that CWD could be misdiagnosed as one of those diseases??? I don’t know. The research that has been done has shown that, although likely difficult, there is no definitive barrier to completely prevent transmission to humans. For years it was believed that mad cow disease could not be transmitted. Eventually it did cross the species barrier. People died and were diagnosed with a variant of CJD. CWD is a very adaptive disease and there are now 10 different strains. Every strain is different in its infectious properties. Folks need to make their own decisions, but those should be made from an informed position. There are reams of research available on CWD. I would suggest folks do a google scholar search and educate themselves.
 
UPThunderbolt said:
The problem is it cannot be proven that CWD can’t be transmitted to humans (direct human transmission research projects are kind of frowned upon). The fact that it has never been found in humans MIGHT be because no one thought to look. The disease is closely related to human the diseases Alzheimer’s and CJD. Is it possible that CWD could be misdiagnosed as one of those diseases??? I don’t know. The research that has been done has shown that, although likely difficult, there is no definitive barrier to completely prevent transmission to humans. For years it was believed that mad cow disease could not be transmitted. Eventually it did cross the species barrier. People died and were diagnosed with a variant of CJD. CWD is a very adaptive disease and there are now 10 different strains. Every strain is different in its infectious properties. Folks need to make their own decisions, but those should be made from an informed position. There are reams of research available on CWD. I would suggest folks do a google scholar search and educate themselves.
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I’m a Neuro RN at a level 1 trauma center in WI, a CWD hot zone for decades. I’ve personally cared for CJD patients. I am very well versed on this topic. CJD prions are VERY different than CWD Prions. I’ll explain why to you as you’re misinformed likely due to your reliance on Google instead of actual knowledge. And please try not to take offense to that it is very common nowadays. I am NOT insulting your intelligence only pointing out your lack of knowledge on this particular topic leading to irrational fears.

CWD prions spread by forcing similar proteins in the host’s brain to misfold too. Deer have these proteins so they are susceptible. Humans most definitely DO NOT have these proteins any more than we have their ability to grow antlers every fall. As such, it is impossible for the prions that cause CWD to misfold proteins in humans that simply do not exist. This biological barrier is why CWD prions cannot infect humans. This is well established knowledge in the medical community and it’s why there has never been a human case of CWD despite millions of CWD positive animals being consumed by humans. Instead of googling i suggest you instead contact a Neurologist. Preferably at a teaching or research hospital such as Froedtert in SE WI.

Additionally, prions are not viruses. Prions have no dna, actually no genetic material at all. They can’t mutate and replicate those mutations as a virus would. Prions are what they are in their current form. As such the prion that causes CWD in deer will never mutate or change to suddenly be able to exploit and misfold a new protein that may be in humans. So in short, if a certain prion cannot misfold any human proteins now it will never be able to. The ten strains you mention already existed in nature they have not evolved or mutated. They’ve only been characterized, none infect humans.

All that being said there ARE things deer have that humans can be infected with. These are as follows:

Tularemia
Bacterial Q Fever
Toxoplasmosis
Trichinellosis
Leptospirosis
Brucellosis

There are others no doubt but that list are the most commonly seen. So if you’re concerned about CWD, a disease you cannot get, you should be equally concerned or really much more concerned with those in this list. Do you also test for these or is it just CWD? If not why don’t you? You might want to ponder that for a moment. Think about why CWD concerns you so much yet you’ve likely never even heard of those i listed that can harm you.

In the end if you’re truly concerned about getting sick from consuming venison, and you have the right to be, there are things you should be much more concerned about than CWD. If i were so concerned id likely quit hunting. I might suggest those that are in that boat do just that instead of killing deer only to toss them in a dumpster. That is abhorrent behavior one should be ashamed to admit they do.
 
So, I do have a background of working with CWD at the professional level. Rather than getting into a personal tit for tat, I’ll assume you know Dr. Mike Osterholm is. If not, he is the head of the Center for Infectious Diseases at the University of Minnesota. He also is one of the leading experts on Mad Cow disease. I’ll let him address your statements by attaching the following link.

www.mprnews.org

U of M expert warns of increasing likelihood of CWD transmission to humans

Minnesota scientists have watched chronic wasting disease (CWD) — a fatal, neurological illness — kill deer and elk. Now, they’re studying its potential to jump to humans.
www.mprnews.org www.mprnews.org
 
UPThunderbolt said:
So, I do have a background of working with CWD at the professional level. Rather than getting into a personal tit for tat, I’ll assume you know Dr. Mike Osterholm is. If not, he is the head of the Center for Infectious Diseases at the University of Minnesota. He also is one of the leading experts on Mad Cow disease. I’ll let him address your statements by attaching the following link.

www.mprnews.org

U of M expert warns of increasing likelihood of CWD transmission to humans

Minnesota scientists have watched chronic wasting disease (CWD) — a fatal, neurological illness — kill deer and elk. Now, they’re studying its potential to jump to humans.
www.mprnews.org www.mprnews.org
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Please read the entire interview.
 
UPThunderbolt said:
So, I do have a background of working with CWD at the professional level. Rather than getting into a personal tit for tat, I’ll assume you know Dr. Mike Osterholm is. If not, he is the head of the Center for Infectious Diseases at the University of Minnesota. He also is one of the leading experts on Mad Cow disease. I’ll let him address your statements by attaching the following link.

www.mprnews.org

U of M expert warns of increasing likelihood of CWD transmission to humans

Minnesota scientists have watched chronic wasting disease (CWD) — a fatal, neurological illness — kill deer and elk. Now, they’re studying its potential to jump to humans.
www.mprnews.org www.mprnews.org
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Here are all the fallacies in your attached post/article. And i’m quoting it verbatim:

“studying its potential”

“prepping for the possibility of CWD spreading”

“CWD spreading to cows, pigs and possibly humans.”

“research suggests it is increasingly likely”

“what could become the next big public health challenge”

“ studying its potential to jump to humans.”

“like one that we fully expect could transmit to humans.”

“supports that the likelihood of this happening is real.”

Where’s the facts jack? Just more of the “we believe”, “we think”, “we predict” gobbledygook. And then he touches on the REAL reason he wants to continue to “study” CWD indefinitely. Meaning why he needs to continue the “we’re all going to die” fear mongering. And again i’ll quote your “expert”:

“has received more than $1.5 million in state money to start prepping for the possibility of CWD spreading”

“billions of taxpayer dollars that will be spent in the next two years, is money to prepare for what could become the next big public health challenge”

“you receive money from the state legislature this past session to start the planning process in case something does happen”

MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEEEYYYY!

The interview then veers off into Covid. Quite ironic considering CWD is basically the Covid of the deer world. They are now taking what they learned about scaring people into compliance and into giving money with Covid and applying them to CWD.

“With the pandemic, then, slowing down, there's research money dwindling. ”

Now now now, we can’t be having that research money dwindling right? Time to ratchet up the fear mongering. So what does he say about Covid? Pretty much the same thing he says about CWD.

“there is a real chance we could see another one more big wave hit.”

So again, i’m going to state scary things i think/believe/possibly could happen as fact that they ARE going to happen so you give me money to study ways to stop it. Yet, they’ve been doing this since 1967 and CWD has done nothing but spread to more and more deer but with zero negative consequences to humans or even deer populations.

Your article really didn’t help your argument hat we need to be worried about CWD, or Covid for that matter, at all. These people just want money, period. They don’t get that money if they tell you CWD is no big deal. They need to tell you “we believe, we predict, we think” it going to jump to humans with zero supporting facts or evidence to support it ever could.
 
Predator_SD said:
Here are all the fallacies in your attached post/article. And i’m quoting it verbatim:

“studying its potential”

“prepping for the possibility of CWD spreading”

“CWD spreading to cows, pigs and possibly humans.”

“research suggests it is increasingly likely”

“what could become the next big public health challenge”

“ studying its potential to jump to humans.”

“like one that we fully expect could transmit to humans.”

“supports that the likelihood of this happening is real.”

Where’s the facts jack? Just more of the “we believe”, “we think”, “we predict” gobbledygook. And then he touches on the REAL reason he wants to continue to “study” CWD indefinitely. Meaning why he needs to continue the “we’re all going to die” fear mongering. And again i’ll quote your “expert”:

“has received more than $1.5 million in state money to start prepping for the possibility of CWD spreading”

“billions of taxpayer dollars that will be spent in the next two years, is money to prepare for what could become the next big public health challenge”

“you receive money from the state legislature this past session to start the planning process in case something does happen”

MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEEEYYYY!

The interview then veers off into Covid. Quite ironic considering CWD is basically the Covid of the deer world. They are now taking what they learned about scaring people into compliance and into giving money with Covid and applying them to CWD.

“With the pandemic, then, slowing down, there's research money dwindling. ”

Now now now, we can’t be having that research money dwindling right? Time to ratchet up the fear mongering. So what does he say about Covid? Pretty much the same thing he says about CWD.

“there is a real chance we could see another one more big wave hit.”

So again, i’m going to state scary things i think/believe/possibly could happen as fact that they ARE going to happen so you give me money to study ways to stop it. Yet, they’ve been doing this since 1967 and CWD has done nothing but spread to more and more deer but with zero negative consequences to humans or even deer populations.

Your article really didn’t help your argument hat we need to be worried about CWD, or Covid for that matter, at all. These people just want money, period. They don’t get that money if they tell you CWD is no big deal. They need to tell you “we believe, we predict, we think” it going to jump to humans with zero supporting facts or evidence to support it ever could.
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I agree the Covid portion of the interview is not germane to this conversation. Beyond that, I understand your position (don’t agree, but understand).
 
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