CWD Concern and SE Wyoming Deer & Elk

[Laramie]

I was under the impression that the CWD testing was funded by grants. When grants arent supplemented, the testing is variable at best.

On another note (i.e. Colorado) when CWD testing is mandatory that is just another way of using testing for harvest data

I agree. I wonder how many guys voluntarily check their animals for CWD? My guess is it's a fairly small percentage of hunters.

 

[mt terry d]

No it’s not speculation. I do know the percentage for the area I’m talking about, as per the biologist

Carcasses are largely unfound regardless of cause of death ( as yourself stated), unfound carcasses are not tested, and there’s no way of determining if the animal died from or just tested positive anyway yet the number of deer dying from CWD and the supposed yearly increase
IS NOT SPECULATION?!

Like I stated previously, it’s blatantly obvious false statements like this that destroy all credibility.

 

[Coveyleader]

Carcasses are largely unfound regardless of cause of death ( as yourself stated), unfound carcasses are not tested, and there’s no way of determining if the animal died from or just tested positive anyway yet the number of deer dying from CWD and the supposed yearly increase
IS NOT SPECULATION?!

Like I stated previously, it’s blatantly obvious false statements like this that destroy all credibility.

I’m not following you. Someone above mentioned “why aren’t we seeing sick deer or carcasses” or something to that nature, and my response was coyotes clean any sick or dead deer up very quickly no matter what the cause, they will clean it up.

You can refute the facts all you want, Eastern CO has a huge CWD issue that IS killing deer. The infection rate 2 years ago was 47% on all deer. Bucks, probably higher as per our testing results were right at 90%. Think about that, 7 out of 8 deer tested positive. Even the DOW employee mentioned she doesn’t hunt there any longer due to the infection rates.


Say what you want, MD and WT are dying from it. It’s your decision if you want to eat it or not. I know my stance on it, life is about choices. Have at it.

 

[Laramie]

I think you both can be correct. There is room for speculation out of necessity but science has confirmed the disease is fatal to deer and elk. The length of time it takes is the real variable that prevents absolutes.

 

[mt terry d]

I think you both can be correct. There is room for speculation out of necessity but science has confirmed the disease is fatal to deer and elk. The length of time it takes is the real variable that prevents absolutes.

I am not disputing any FACTS
And I never questioned whether or not CWD can be fatal

I’m only pointing out there is NO evidence how many are dying from CWD or that there is ANY evidence there are more than previous years
and that anyone, regardless of their “credentials” to claim otherwise is speculating/guessing/pulling numbers out of their assets/ or just plain lying
^That is a fact^

And THAT is what erodes confidence in everything they say

 

[Laramie]

I am not disputing any FACTS
And I never questioned whether or not CWD can be fatal

I’m only pointing out there is NO evidence how many are dying from CWD or that there is ANY evidence there are more than previous years
and that anyone, regardless of their “credentials” to claim otherwise is speculating/guessing/pulling numbers out of their assets/ or just plain lying
^That is a fact^

And THAT is what erodes confidence in everything they say

That's fair imo. Their only case studies are behind high fences and those are limited and not apples to apples to wild populations.

I do know some studies are ongoing regarding age class. I'm interested to see UWs findings when and if those are released.

 

[Cordell Walker]

That's fair imo. Their only case studies are behind high fences and those are limited and not apples to apples to wild populations.

I do know some studies are ongoing regarding age class. I'm interested to see UWs findings when and if those are released.

Is this the study you are thinking of: https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/research/projects/dpp/StudyResults ?

Here is a little presentation of the results:

, presentation starts at 2:13:00.

It doesn’t appear the researchers separated out CWD and affect on age class. Id think they have the data on CWD and age class though. I also haven’t read any of the scientific publications on it yet, and think there are more papers to come from the study.

 

[Laramie]

Is this the study you are thinking of: https://dnr.wisconsin.gov/topic/research/projects/dpp/StudyResults ?

Here is a little presentation of the results:

, presentation starts at 2:13:00.

It doesn’t appear the researchers separated out CWD and affect on age class. Id think they have the data on CWD and age class though. I also haven’t read any of the scientific publications on it yet, and think there are more papers to come from the study.

Ingesting study but no, I was referencing UW (Wyoming) studies that are ongoing. I'm more concerned with mule deer to be honest.

 

[Cordell Walker]

Ingesting study but no, I was referencing UW (Wyoming) studies that are ongoing. I'm more concerned with mule deer to be honest.

Haha sorry, I didn’t think of University Wyoming. I’ll have to keep an eye out for those results now.

 

[sivart]

I'm still not convinced that CWD hasn't been around for 100 +yrs, and that the more we test, the more positives you're going to get. I'm also not convinced that a positive animals can't live many years.

The head CWD biologists were on the meat eater podcast recently. They couldn't or really wouldn't answer any real questions. All I heard was "we don't know". It's pretty frustrating. Spending all this money on research and really haven't learned anything new for the last 5 years.

 

[RyanT26]

I'm still not convinced that CWD hasn't been around for 100 +yrs, and that the more we test, the more positives you're going to get. I'm also not convinced that a positive animals can't live many years.

The head CWD biologists were on the meat eater podcast recently. They couldn't or really wouldn't answer any real questions. All I heard was "we don't know". It's pretty frustrating. Spending all this money on research and really haven't learned anything new for the last 5 years.

I always find it interesting that scrapie has been around since at least the mid 1700s, probably before that we just couldn’t figure out what it was. But it never decided to make the jump from sheep to deer until the late 1960’s at government research facility. Kinda weird.

 

[Laramie]

I'm still not convinced that CWD hasn't been around for 100 +yrs, and that the more we test, the more positives you're going to get. I'm also not convinced that a positive animals can't live many years.

The head CWD biologists were on the meat eater podcast recently. They couldn't or really wouldn't answer any real questions. All I heard was "we don't know". It's pretty frustrating. Spending all this money on research and really haven't learned anything new for the last 5 years.

I'm frustrated as well at the funding.... a lot of waste imo.

There are studies showing incubation periods vary and can be a long as 3 years. Some of that has to do with individual deer genetics. The problem in the high % areas is even with long incubation, we are going to be missing most of those 5+ year old bucks. Most guys i know don't want to spend out of state prices for 150 class bucks...

 

[cnelk]

I'm frustrated as well at the funding.... a lot of waste imo.

Kinda like highway funding. A never ending project with lots of waste

 

[grfox92]

I'm frustrated as well at the funding.... a lot of waste imo.

There are studies showing incubation periods vary and can be a long as 3 years. Some of that has to do with individual deer genetics. The problem in the high % areas is even with long incubation, we are going to be missing most of those 5+ year old bucks. Most guys i know don't want to spend out of state prices for 150 class bucks...

They did say on the podcast that any animal that lives past 18 to 24 months after infection is an extremely rare anomoly.

While I agree that there is probably some waste out there with CWD research I dont think that falls on the guys mentioned that were on the ME podcast. There are some questions I would love to ask those guys that weren't covered on the podcast that I think they could clear up.

One of them being the whole cross contamination thing with prions on hard surfaces. Im sorry but to what extent? Like how many prions are transfered to a surface from butchering meat? And if they are transfered to a surface and cannot be cleaned off, then how would they transfer and contaminate things that come into contact with those surfaces? That sounds idiotic to me but is said all the time.

So I can scrub a surface with soap, hot water and bleach with a scrub brush and it won't get rid of the prion, but if I throw a backstrap on that same surface the prions are now leaving that surface and contaminating that backstrap? Sounds intellectually dishonest to believe that.

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[sivart]

They did say on the podcast that any animal that lives past 18 to 24 months after infection is an extremely rare anomoly.

While I agree that there is probably some waste out there with CWD research I dont think that falls on the guys mentioned that were on the ME podcast. There are some questions I would love to ask those guys that weren't covered on the podcast that I think they could clear up.

One of them being the whole cross contamination thing with prions on hard surfaces. Im sorry but to what extent? Like how many prions are transfered to a surface from butchering meat? And if they are transfered to a surface and cannot be cleaned off, then how would they transfer and contaminate things that come into contact with those surfaces? That sounds idiotic to me but is said all the time.

So I can scrub a surface with soap, hot water and bleach with a scrub brush and it won't get rid of the prion, but if I throw a backstrap on that same surface the prions are now leaving that surface and contaminating that backstrap? Sounds intellectually dishonest to believe that.

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They did say on the podcast that any animal that lives past 18 to 24 months after infection is an extremely rare anomoly.

While I agree that there is probably some waste out there with CWD research I dont think that falls on the guys mentioned that were on the ME podcast. There are some questions I would love to ask those guys that weren't covered on the podcast that I think they could clear up.

One of them being the whole cross contamination thing with prions on hard surfaces. Im sorry but to what extent? Like how many prions are transfered to a surface from butchering meat? And if they are transfered to a surface and cannot be cleaned off, then how would they transfer and contaminate things that come into contact with those surfaces? That sounds idiotic to me but is said all the time.

So I can scrub a surface with soap, hot water and bleach with a scrub brush and it won't get rid of the prion, but if I throw a backstrap on that same surface the prions are now leaving that surface and contaminating that backstrap? Sounds intellectually dishonest to believe that.

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I havne't seen any scientific proof that most animals are dead 18 months after contraction. My nephew shot a 7 yr old buck last year that tested positive for CWD. Looked perfectly healthy. I'm supposed to believe this old buck was just infected 18 months prior?

I'm waiting for scientific evidence, not the broscience that I keep hearing.

 

[Laramie]

I havne't seen any scientific proof that most animals are dead 18 months after contraction. My nephew shot a 7 yr old buck last year that tested positive for CWD. Looked perfectly healthy. I'm supposed to believe this old buck was just infected 18 months prior?

I'm waiting for scientific evidence, not the broscience that I keep hearing.

There are plenty of captive animal studies that aren't bro science. The time from contraction to death range 18 to 24 months for most with some making it up to 36 months. There is some speculation that some wild deer possess genes that make them more resistant letting them live even longer.

 

[grfox92]

I havne't seen any scientific proof that most animals are dead 18 months after contraction. My nephew shot a 7 yr old buck last year that tested positive for CWD. Looked perfectly healthy. I'm supposed to believe this old buck was just infected 18 months prior?

I'm waiting for scientific evidence, not the broscience that I keep hearing.

It's not bro science. That's from the leading experts on CWD in the world. Not some government shills, but guys who are deer hunters who actually care.

And yes. I believe that 7 year old buck contracted the disease 18 to 24 months prior. They dont exhibit sick appearance up until they are about to be terminal. A deer that might be dead in 60 days from CWD can appear to be completely healthy. Its not EHD.

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