credit card purchases

[FLATHEAD]

Might be for other reason, other parties than the govt, because I'm sure the govt
already knows who has what through the NICS check.

 

[def90]

It was a bank (Amalgamated) that petitioned the standards agency to add the MCC, not the government.

I'm sure the administration didn't ask the bank to make the request for them seeing that a direct order from the admin would have been outside of their jurisdiction. Kind of like when the admin signalled to social media companies to be responsive to potentially fake news stories in regards to the Hunter Biden laptop story.

 

[MattB]

I'm sure the administration didn't ask the bank to make the request for them seeing that a direct order from the admin would have been outside of their jurisdiction. Kind of like when the admin signalled to social media companies to be responsive to potentially fake news stories in regards to the Hunter Biden laptop story.

You should really do some research on this. Nothing about how this developed, either the timeline or the process, suggests that the Biden administration supported this initiative. The concept was conceived in 2018 (during the Trump presidency) and Amalgamated's petitions were twice denied by ISO during Biden's presidency. It didn't receive formal congressional support until ~2 weeks ago.

 

[ODB]

The only info transferred to the fed with a 4473 is that an individual is purchasing a firearm. Serial numbers, makes and models are not transmitted. Those records stay with the FFL until the FFL closes down at which time they have to hand over their books to the ATF.

The credit card issue is the first step in allowing the credit card companies to begin to deny certain sale types. It also opens up the door for the potential down the road to deny general service to anyone that has a firearms related purchase on their record, or maybe increase interest rates of people with firearms purchases and so on. Basically the beginning of a social credit score system.

Yes. The ESG scores popping up on business websites will grow like a cancer.

 

[ODB]

Bought a box of ammo the other day @ BPS, paid cash.
They asked for my ph#, I said no thanks.
Thought the guy's head was gonna explode.
WHY do they need my Ph#?

That’s generally for marketing.

Use your area code + 867-5309

 

[displacedtexan]

So are banks. How long until banks won't do business with firearms owners? Didn't some large bank/s already try it with gun manufacturers?

Do you believe in a free market or not?

 

[displacedtexan]

Sure... None.of these companies are asking for it, the gov is asking them to put it in place.

Do you have an actual source, or just a hunch and conspiracy theories?

 

[def90]

It was a bank (Amalgamated) that petitioned the standards agency to add the MCC, not the government.

Sure.. The timeline is way off, they started their drive in 2021.. not while Trump was president.. That said Trump was not a pro 2A president either.

 

[MattB]

Sure.. The timeline is way off, they started their drive in 2021.. not while Trump was president.. That said Trump was not a pro 2A president either.

The first application by Amalgamated to ISO for the new MCC was in 2021. Glad to see you started to educate your self on this, but that was not when the strategy was conceived.

You can look at the Amalgamated/Sturm Ruger situation, the timing of the bank’s firearm policy adoption, and the impact Amalgamated’s policies appears to have had on other large FI’s if you want to learn even more.

But this is the internet and I understand some people would rather to win an argument than actually learn something.

 

[Mike D Texas]

They don't have a registry outside of the NFA. If they did they wouldn't have to dig through boxes full of paperwork from retired FFL dealers to trace firearms.

Now, if you live on one of I think 5 states that run their own registry that's another issue.

Yes they do and it appears to be electronic and searchable.

Here’s just once source.

ATF’s Illegal Gun Registry 101 | Gun Owners of America

forms.gunowners.org

There’s tons of articles about it.


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[kentuckybowman]

if i owned a gun store i would code guns as tampons or chewing gum and tell the card companies to F off.

 

[Pikespeak]

It was a bank (Amalgamated) that petitioned the standards agency to add the MCC, not the government.

The US Dems were pushing this, I’m assuming these banks will get some future back scratches

 

[MattB]

The US Dems were pushing this, I’m assuming these banks will get some future back scratches

Congressional democrats did not get on board until late in the process of Amalgamated's 3rd application via letters to Amex, MasterCard and Visa dated 9/1/22 (less than 2 weeks ago). Based on that timing, it looks like congressional pressure is what pushed the initiative over the finish line.

https://dean.house.gov/_cache/files/8/f/8f792199-d02b-400c-868d-a25ce0180f2a/320744C9947310796BD6B585DC484CD4.rep.-dean-and-sen.-warren-letters-.pdf

 

[Sizthediz]

867-5309

Shouldn't your handle be Jenny Jenny

 

[mitchamafied]

Bought a box of ammo the other day @ BPS, paid cash.
They asked for my ph#, I said no thanks.
Thought the guy's head was gonna explode.
WHY do they need my Ph#?

They did the same thing when I bought some beef jerky, can’t believe the hippy leftist government is tracking my protein intake.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Congressional democrats did not get on board until late in the process of Amalgamated's 3rd application via letters to Amex, MasterCard and Visa dated 9/1/22 (less than 2 weeks ago). Based on that timing, it looks like congressional pressure is what pushed the initiative over the finish line.

https://dean.house.gov/_cache/files/8/f/8f792199-d02b-400c-868d-a25ce0180f2a/320744C9947310796BD6B585DC484CD4.rep.-dean-and-sen.-warren-letters-.pdf

Congressional pressure is the key. They cannot get the gun legislation they want passed, so they are making it more difficult throughout the individual purchase process with willing coporate activists. We've already discussed the new restrictions for shipping guns and gun-related items from UPS and FedEx. That's shipping... Now they're targeting the actual transaction process. At a minimum they are hoping to inconvenience people enough to disuade them from buying. At a more sinister level, they are adding a new stream of data points that could be used malevolently in the future. Whether the the threat is real or not doesn't matter. Perception can be more powerful than reality.

 

[D S 319]

If we keep the wool over our eyes it isn’t happening right?

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

Might be for other reason, other parties than the govt, because I'm sure the govt
already knows who has what through the NICS check.

I posted an article a while ago about how the government has been digitizing this data, but "not for investigative purposes"... Yeah right. I'll dig up that article

Here it is... https://www.nraila.org/articles/20220207/growing-atf-database-prompts-fears-of-gun-registry

This information is supposed to be used for crime gun traces only. In a different article, the author's POV was that since this data doesn't age well (people can still sell guns privately, accidents happen, etc...) gun owners shouldn't be concerned.

If you have a concealed carry permit or suppressor you're on a couple additional lists, so while this article was a shock to some, I agree with another commentor on here that we're all on lists already. If they want them they know who you are and where you live. The key is making sure you have a spot to cache them if the SHTF.

 

[Where's Bruce?]

I buy ammo just to keep others from having it.

 

[Yarak]

Guys the founders didn’t create the 2nd amendment because the deer were coming
No way does this stop anyone from buying a new firearm and as I’ve already stated If you think the feds don’t already have a gun registry you’re very naïve