CPW 2026 Draw Stats are out

[Hnthrdr]

That hard cap on 1/2nd choices can’t come soon enough!

 

[S.Clancy]

That hard cap on 1/2nd choices can’t come soon enough!

So then they will just go on 3rd choice......

 

[Hnthrdr]

So then they will just go on 3rd choice......

I mean if you are that silly then you deserve not to draw, should be 1-4th hard capped but I’ll take 1/2, long overdue

 

[S.Clancy]

I mean if you are that silly then you deserve not to draw, should be 1-4th hard capped but I’ll take 1/2, long overdue

My point is if Residents don't want them they are gonna go to leftover. Is there a hard cap on leftover then....?

And, if the hard caps are only on 1st and 2nd, NR are gonna draw them all on 3rd, it's not rocket science.

 

[Esetter77]

You're upset that a NR used their 1st choice and "bumped" your 2nd choice?

I'm not upset at any non residents, just upset at the CPW and their lack of a more transparent system and always touting the "residents get 75% of the tags" which in many cases is far from true.

The "issue" is those zero point Non Residents are pulling tags at well over the 25% non-resident allocation. If they were able to pull a tag with 0 points while still UNDER the 25% allocation, I would have no problem with it.

 

[Hnthrdr]

My point is if Residents don't want them they are gonna go to leftover. Is there a hard cap on leftover then....?

And, if the hard caps are only on 1st and 2nd, NR are gonna draw them all on 3rd, it's not rocket science.

For sure, I’m talking about units that have plenty of R applying with a 1st choice and it’s showing 63-65% of tags going to R, and NR getting 30+ %

 

[IrkedCitizen]

Yes, because there was a lack of resident hunters that applied. Unless I'm reading that wrong every 1st choice applicant received their tag. You're upset that a NR used their 1st choice and "bumped" your 2nd choice?

This is not the point. The resident quota is the resident quota. They should have went to the secondary draw if there wasnt enough residents that applied during the draw. Then the youth that got hosed during the primary draw could have a chance at it. Then after that it goes to the leftover list and residents should have first choice. The tags should belong to residents. Period.

There were a lot of units that gave more than the 25% to NR. Which should never be the case. If there are no NR tags remaining then better luck next year!

 

[Esetter77]

Hmmm seeing plenty of units not going 75/25, and yes there are plenty of residents applying. Wonder if they are taking the landowner tags off the top of resident tags?

The main reason the percentages get so far from 75/25 is not landowner tags, it's how the the system handles 1st vs 2nd choice. ALL tags get allocated to ALL 1st choice applicants first before going to second choice regardless of the 25% cap.

An extreme example is:
The tag allocation is 10 tags
1 resident applies 1st choice (0 points),
1 resident applies 2nd choice
9 non-residents apply 1st choice (0 points)

All 9 non-residents, 90% of tag allocation, goes to non-residents
As more non-residents "flood" the system the more pronounced this issue becomes in the "lesser" units that don't get fully subsrcibed by 75% of 1st choice residents

 

[S.Clancy]

For sure, I’m talking about units that have plenty of R applying with a 1st choice and it’s showing 63-65% of tags going to R, and NR getting 30+ %

I'm sure that will be rectified by the hard caps for 1st and 2nd choice in 2 years. I only look at the units I am familiar with, which are either units that never go to 2nd choice or "garbage units".

This is kind of my argument against these states with multiple choices, I think it's stupid. It should be first choice only, then everything goes to leftover. Draw odds/everything gets better. If you wanna hunt, use your points. This is coming from someone that hunts 2nd choice....

 

[JRay]

And point creep marches on! A buddy didn’t draw an Early rifle elk tag with 22pts but another friend’s wife drew it in the hybrid draw. Needless to say there’s a little bitterness going on right now.

 

[jgilber5]

I'm not upset at any non residents, just upset at the CPW and their lack of a more transparent system and always touting the "residents get 75% of the tags" which in many cases is far from true.

The "issue" is those zero point Non Residents are pulling tags at well over the 25% non-resident allocation. If they were able to pull a tag with 0 points while still UNDER the 25% allocation, I would have no problem with it.

almost every state has a version of this whether its wilderness rules or landowner allocations or outfitter preference. I would hardly say colorado isnt transparent about it.

 

[Hnthrdr]

I'm sure that will be rectified by the hard caps for 1st and 2nd choice in 2 years. I only look at the units I am familiar with, which are either units that never go to 2nd choice or "garbage units".

This is kind of my argument against these states with multiple choices, I think it's stupid. It should be first choice only, then everything goes to leftover. Draw odds/everything gets better. If you wanna hunt, use your points. This is coming from someone that hunts 2nd choice....

Also wouldn’t hate that idea

 

[Esetter77]

Well, no resident wants them, then the same residents get pissed off when a NR gets what they didn't want.....sound logic.

Putting in for 2nd choice and "not wanting" them are not the same thing. In this case over 600 residents put in for this tag and didn't get it, true it wasn't their first choice, but they still "wanted" it and applied for it. Meanwhile over 50% of those same tags went to Non-Residents.

I don't know where the "fair" line is between a resident's second choice and a non-residents zero-point first choice, but more than half of tags for a given unit going to non-residents doesn't seem like it.

I live less than an hour from WY. I don't complain when WY shafts me as a non-resident, but makes it especially annoying when my own state then gives more than 50% of the tags I'm applying for to non-residents.

 

[ResearchinStuff]

The tags were there for you to have, you chose not to take one. Someone else did choose to take them. That's basically how everything in life works, especially things that have limited quantities.

 

[S.Clancy]

Putting in for 2nd choice and "not wanting" them are not the same thing. In this case over 600 residents put in for this tag and didn't get it, true it wasn't their first choice, but they still "wanted" it and applied for it. Meanwhile over 50% of those same tags went to Non-Residents.

I don't know where the "fair" line is between a resident's second choice and a non-residents zero-point first choice, but more than half of tags for a given unit going to non-residents doesn't seem like it.

I live less than an hour from WY. I don't complain when WY shafts me as a non-resident, but makes it especially annoying when my own state then gives more than 50% of the tags I'm applying for to non-residents.

IMO, it ends after 1st choice.
I don't see how you can argue someone wanted it if they didn't put in for 1st choice....

 

[Hnthrdr]

Putting in for 2nd choice and "not wanting" them are not the same thing. In this case over 600 residents put in for this tag and didn't get it, true it wasn't their first choice, but they still "wanted" it and applied for it. Meanwhile over 50% of those same tags went to Non-Residents.

I don't know where the "fair" line is between a resident's second choice and a non-residents zero-point first choice, but more than half of tags for a given unit going to non-residents doesn't seem like it.

I live less than an hour from WY. I don't complain when WY shafts me as a non-resident, but makes it especially annoying when my own state then gives more than 50% of the tags I'm applying for to non-residents.

Facts

 

[Esetter77]

almost every state has a version of this whether its wilderness rules or landowner allocations or outfitter preference. I would hardly say colorado isnt transparent about it.

You are kind of making my point about how the reality is not very transparent. As you highlighted they always say "up to 25% may go to non residents" but the reality is in many cases far more than 25% go to non residents and it's not because no residents applied. In the initial case I posted, it's over 50% of the tags going to non residents.

 

[RyanT26]

When NR’s are picking them up as a third choice after 2028. You’ll still find a way to bitch about that. If you want the tag put it in for your first choice next year.

I could be wrong, but I would be shocked if CPW ever moves the hard cap past 1st and 2nd choice. They are a crackhead about that NR money.

 

[jgilber5]

You are kind of making my point about how the reality is not very transparent. As you highlighted they always say "up to 25% may go to non residents" but the reality is in many cases far more than 25% go to non residents and it's not because no residents applied. In the initial case I posted, it's over 50% of the tags going to non residents.

literally look one line down in the regs

 

[NICKJ]

Shouldn’t someone’s first choice get drawn first , over someone’s second choice?

Thats risk of trying to gain a preference point and get the tag ….