Court upholds warrants for F&W officers

[180ls1]

Honest question. Does this mean that if you've done nothing wrong and see a warden launch a drone that comes over your place, can you shoot it down?

When considering the law, courts and grey areas, always ask yourself "would a reasonable person do x?"

 

[Dos XX]

Sure. What if you don't have a license? To my knowledge, just wearing camo or hunter orange is grounds enough for a warden to perform a vehicle stop. How in the world is that legitimate?

That would be impersonating someone who has signed to waive their 4th amendment rights.

 

[Dos XX]

By signing a hunting license, are you waiving your 4th amendment as pertains to hunting / wildlife related crimes, or waiving them altogether?

What if a warden stops someone and they have committed no wildlife related violations but he then suspects something criminal that he wouldn't have noticed without the wildlife check? Would the discovery be legal?

Would we have a new TV series, Law & Order Parks & Wildlife?

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

I believe Rokslide has a retired warden that frequently posts.

Maybe he has some insight?

@mtwarden

 

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pretty much all state law enforcement pushes way past the boundaries because they have the state's wallet behind them. Federal agencies are even worse....cash seizures by highway patrol's are beyond screwed up and tsa is even worse.

 

[JohnJohnson]

pretty much all state law enforcement pushes way past the boundaries because they have the state's wallet behind them. Federal agencies are even worse....cash seizures by highway patrol's are beyond screwed up tsa is even worse.

I view all law enforcement with suspicion because of this. They have no reason not to push things at every chance because unions protect them from discipline and the law protects them from personal liability via qualified immunity.

 

[*zap*]

I go beyond viewing them with suspicion.....it is a sad deal.

 

[dtrkyman]

Keep your mouth shut!

I really haven’t had any issues with wardens over the years, most are pretty easy to deal with.


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[jjohnsonElknewbie]

cash seizures by highway patrol's are beyond screwed up

Look up cash seizures in NE along I80. Seward County area does this all the time and keeps the money whether a crime has been committed or not. "Civil Seizures"

 

[Dos Perros]

Let’s say you’re glassing from your truck, all legal, and a warden stops, and asks to look in your cooler. You say no. What judge would grant a warrant for that?

 

[ladogg411]

This is the "Open Fields doctrine", an exception to the 4th Amendment.

Google it.

Very scary.

 

[IDVortex]

I believe Rokslide has a retired warden that frequently posts.

Maybe he has some insight?

I've been keeping a eye to see if he'd chime on, but I don't blame him if he doesn't want to either lol.

 

[cnelk]

I've been keeping an eye to see if he'd chime on, but I don't blame him if he doesn't want to either lol.

Trade secrets

 

[Andrew12gauge]

Let’s say you’re glassing from your truck, all legal, and a warden stops, and asks to look in your cooler. You say no. What judge would grant a warrant for that?

A reasonable person might ask why you wouldn’t want the warden to look in your cooler? Not allowing the warden a simple peek might raise some suspicion if he were to call a judge


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[JohnJohnson]

A reasonable person might ask why you wouldn’t want the warden to look in your cooler? Not allowing the warden a simple peek might raise some suspicion if he were to call a judge

Not wanting your civil rights trampled on is a reason for your civil rights to be trampled on?

 

[Andrew12gauge]

Not wanting your civil rights trampled on is a reason for your civil rights to be trampled on?

Unfortunately when it comes to fish and wildlife law, yea


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[Crowmangler]

If you think the government won't violate the constitution & trample all over your rights if they want to then you haven't been paying attention for the last 15 +years.

 

[HvyBeams]

Keep your mouth shut!

Best advice in the entire thread.

 

[BBob]

Keep your mouth shut!

Best advice in the entire thread.

With one exception: Open your mouth to say no to a search if asked I had an officer ask if he could let his dog sniff in the back of my truck once. I said no, I don't see a reason for that. Checked licenses and was on his way without another word about the dog.

 

[jjohnsonElknewbie]

With one exception: Open your mouth to say no to a search if asked I had an officer ask if he could let his dog sniff in the back of my truck once. I said no, I don't see a reason for that. Checked licenses and was on his way without another word about the dog.

And that's what bugs me right there... If he had probable cause, he didn't need to ask to have the dog sniff. So in this case, he was just out to find something without enough cause to detain you. WTH?