Correcting Gun Shyness

Donjuan

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So I know gun shyness is usually caused by human error. I have a 1 year old Brittany who I got to pointing birds last season. I shot a 22 around her and then took her on a planted chukar hunt with my old bird dog and a friend. Every thing was fine until we both shot at once and she ran back to the truck.
For several weeks after she was bird shy. After dropping hundreds on pen raised quail and running her on my friends pigeons she became interested in birds again and we shot a 22 with no concern from her.
Everything was going fine until I brought out my old dog and instead of backing her on point she ran back to the house. Now if she smells a planted bird she will hold a point for a few seconds then run back to the truck. She will chase the quail or pigeons and I have not fired a shotgun near her for 6 months. The breeder won’t return my calls and I’m worried I can’t get her over this.
Any help?
 
As others have said, it's much easier to prevent than fix, but there are options for getting over this if you are willing to put in the time. Getting help from a professional trainer would be best, but this video series from Perfection Kennel could also be helpful to you [The Perfect GunShy Fix]. Jon and Jessica are great trainers (and people) and their videos are made for the "do it yourself" type of guy. I observed one of their broke dog clinics in TX a couple years ago and learned a ton.
 
Make sure you keep your dog away from fireworks, I am on my 4th Brittany and she was fine with gunfire but we have a cabin in the U P on a lake and July 4th it sounds like a war zone for hours and now she is noise sensitive.
 
It appears that you transitioned from the 22 (small bang) to the shotgun (big boom) too quickly without progressing up in increments. This process essentially being one shot a time and moving from farther to closer as your dog is completely focused on chasing the bird that just flushed in front of it. It's easy to hurry these things especially when the dogs seems like it doing fine with it. Transitioning from a 22 to a shotgun blast should be slower than that just to be ultra safe side to avoid gun shyness at all costs. Your dog is more than gun shy; it is bird shy as well and possibly even shy of the sight of another dog pointing as well. All these are things it has associated with the negative experience of that loud scary sound.
I think most knowledgeable trainers would go back to the beginning and have your dog chase birds without any corrections at all. Probably even let it get a hold of hobbled birds to get the predator drive fired up and make it as birdy as possible to erase any imprint of negativity with birds. It's all about positivity and praise ............ and tons of patience. Birds should become the ultimate drug and battery recharger for your dog. Then eventually progress to some shooting at a slow progressive pace to allow the dog to make a positive association with gun fire with the birds that it is now amped up over.
If you can find a good professional and it is within your budget, it would likely help salvage your bird dog.
Good luck. I wish you and your dog well.
 
Ours aren’t gun dogs, but they aren’t bothered by fireworks, gun shots, or thunder. We treat loud sounds like a reason to celebrate and everyone gets a little treat of some kind. Even a single piece of dry cat food, or small piece of carrot will do. It takes their mind off the sound being something to be scared of. A new skittish dog follows the lead of the others fairly quickly and the pack acts like loud sounds are nothing if I’m there or not. They can view me like an ATM for treats if they get too many so they only get enough to take their mind off the loudest sounds.
 
So I know gun shyness is usually caused by human error. I have a 1 year old Brittany who I got to pointing birds last season. I shot a 22 around her and then took her on a planted chukar hunt with my old bird dog and a friend. Every thing was fine until we both shot at once and she ran back to the truck.
For several weeks after she was bird shy. After dropping hundreds on pen raised quail and running her on my friends pigeons she became interested in birds again and we shot a 22 with no concern from her.
Everything was going fine until I brought out my old dog and instead of backing her on point she ran back to the house. Now if she smells a planted bird she will hold a point for a few seconds then run back to the truck. She will chase the quail or pigeons and I have not fired a shotgun near her for 6 months. The breeder won’t return my calls and I’m worried I can’t get her over this.
Any help?
First off. Everyone makes mistakes with raising and training dogs. We are human. But almost everything is fixable. Dog and kids are resilient. They can have a bad experience and learn to get over it.

Here are my suggestions.

First try to fix the bad association with loud noises and birds by getting a live bird in her mouth. It’s like crack cocaine for most bird dogs. Give her a good experience with a bird without loud scary noises. Use a tethered bird. Let her point it if she will, then flush it and let her chase and retrieve it. If she is too freaked out about birds, just give her a live tethered bird from the hand. Don’t let her chew it up, but let her hold it, praise her, love on her. Take it away from her, praise her and love on her. Let her take it back, praise her and love on her. Make it a good day with no loud noises and repeat multiple times as needed over multiple days.

Then go all the way back to square 1 with the noise training. Every good experience is an opportunity to expose her to noise. When she’s eating bang pans together and praise her and love on her. Loud noises when playing fetch, praise her and give treats. Take your time and repeat. You’ve gotta build confidence and good associations. Every time something loud or scary happens. Love on her and give her treats. Try to instill a pattern in her where scary things make her want to come to you for reassurance and treats. You don’t want her running off when something scary happens. This is a long term process. Don’t stop it even if the next step works.

Then combine. You stay with her in the field, and let her find and point a live tethered bird while someone further away uses a cap gun or 22 repeatedly. Keep her focus on the bird, love on her and praise her. If her focus goes away from the bird to the shooter, stop the shooter and refocus her on the bird and good things. If you need to, flush it and let her fetch it. Start the shooting again while she has it in her mouth. If she starts focusing on the shooter, stop and go back to bird work without noise. Repeat this as many times as needed. Slowly work your way closer and louder over multiple days. Don’t push it too fast or too long. She will tell you when she is done for a day. Make the experiences fun and comfortable.

Wish you patience and luck.
 
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