Cornerstone Gun Dog Academy experience?

[LONE HUNTER]

What’s he doing on a mark that you think you need to correct for?

Grabbing the bumper and playing with it rather than bringing it back.

running past me rather than delivering it.

Doesn't happen often but something I believe should be corrected?

No HRC clubs within an hour of my house closest one is Ogden Utah. And I am apparently the only one I know who's training a dog to hunt ducks.

I shouldn't bitch though.... my dog for having a novice trainer... he's really doing good. Im actually surprised i've made it this far. I've never owned a dog before let alone tried to train one. He's a freaking stud house dog. Awesome with my kids. Hasn't destroyed any of my stuff. House trained easily. Super fun.

 

[KurtR]

Grabbing the bumper and playing with it rather than bringing it back.

running past me rather than delivering it.

Doesn't happen often but something I believe should be corrected?

No HRC clubs within an hour of my house closest one is Ogden Utah. And I am apparently the only one I know who's training a dog to hunt ducks.

I shouldn't bitch though.... my dog for having a novice trainer... he's really doing good. Im actually surprised i've made it this far. I've never owned a dog before let alone tried to train one. He's a freaking stud house dog. Awesome with my kids. Hasn't destroyed any of my stuff. House trained easily. Super fun.

Those are both advoidance he knows you are going to take the bumper when you get back to him.

Force fetch fixes the messing around as you say fetch and they know that means pick it up now . I think Pat Nolan has a video on that if I remember right. And running past you he knows your going to take the bumper when he goes to run past grab the check cord and direct him into heal but don’t take the bumper pet him and praise let him enjoy it for a bit with it in his mouth. It’s something a lot of young dogs do not out of the ordinary.

He’s hitting the teenage years so to speak so he will be testing you more now than ever stay consistent and it will all turn out good.

 

[Jason Snyder]

Second the FF.

 

[goathunter]

you follow pat and you will be well on your way. I would stick with one program and when you get to advanced stuff then maybe pick and choose but get the basics rock solid and your ahead of 90% of the rest of the dogs around.

The ecollar isnt scarry its just a tool. Dont push that button out of anger and you will be just fine.

After i had messed up I was all worried i ruined my dog. I had one of the best field trial guys talk me off the ledge he said dog training is some times digging your self a hole and learning how to get out of it. Every one makes mistakes but just need to learn from them.

What do you think is the appropriate or ideal age for collar conditioning?

 

[KurtR]

What do you think is the appropriate or ideal age for collar conditioning?

The right answer is depends on the dog but in general that 6-7 month range . I like it before force fetch so when you get to collar fetch it’s not the first time the dog is experiencing the collar.

 

[LONE HUNTER]

Just made it through introduction to gunfire using 52+/cornerstone. It actually went super well. Dog did not have issues with it and pretty much followed their method exact. Dog definitely gets more excited and steadiness diwndled a bit upon introduction but he was super excited to fetch.

 

[goathunter]

So I've come full circle on this and really want to collar train. It actually seems mellower than some of the no collar lead work. He knows his obedience commands well and does great in training sessions. However, with distractions (like another dog or person) all bets are off and I think the collar would solidify this. I'm kind of stuck, I've done all the Nolan pup stuff but no water - he's never swam due to timing with the weather. No bird introductions yet either. So I'll have to go back and start at the beginning with water. Now I wonder, do I jump into the Nolan collar conditioning series, or get the Freddy King annual subscription. I think I can handle the collar conditioning and even Hold, but I worry about Forced Fetch. That seems like it takes experience. I wouldn't be opposed to paying a pro, but I haven't found many around - one I can't get a hold of and one that's out of my budget!

 

[KurtR]

So I've come full circle on this and really want to collar train. It actually seems mellower than some of the no collar lead work. He knows his obedience commands well and does great in training sessions. However, with distractions (like another dog or person) all bets are off and I think the collar would solidify this. I'm kind of stuck, I've done all the Nolan pup stuff but no water - he's never swam due to timing with the weather. No bird introductions yet either. So I'll have to go back and start at the beginning with water. Now I wonder, do I jump into the Nolan collar conditioning series, or get the Freddy King annual subscription. I think I can handle the collar conditioning and even Hold, but I worry about Forced Fetch. That seems like it takes experience. I wouldn't be opposed to paying a pro, but I haven't found many around - one I can't get a hold of and one that's out of my budget!

Get both as they both will teach you some thing and Freddy is just a message away which is great when you hit a snag which you will everyone does and he will help work through it. With out seeing the dog if you think he is ready for collar conditioning i would do it. If he knows sit and here you are ready i would say. Where are you at might know a pro in the area if you want help with FF

 

[cq0302]

Not sure where you landed with force fetch and collar conditioning but it does not have to be as rough as some of the old school guys make it. I have force fetched several dogs using the toe hitch method. There should be some YouTube videos out there to help. If not, shoot me a message and I can find some of my old videos for you.

 

[cq0302]

As far as cornerstone, I enjoyed the program with my most recent pup, I think it’s good program. A local trainer who refuses to eat pinch tought me tow hitch and e collar training

 

[BucksNBulls]

this right here Freddy has videos from just getting home and if you follow the meat dog stuff you have a dog that’s better behaved and when you go hunting will be better than 90 percent of dogs. He will walk you through personally if you have questions. It’s the best 60 dollars you could spend. Will walk you through collar conditioning and force fetch which are two of the most important steps if you want a well behaved well rounded pet or hunting buddy.

Freddy King Training | The Retriever Trainer

www.theretrievertrainer.com

This, Freddie King's Retriever Training series is the way to go.

 

[BucksNBulls]

So I've come full circle on this and really want to collar train. It actually seems mellower than some of the no collar lead work. He knows his obedience commands well and does great in training sessions. However, with distractions (like another dog or person) all bets are off and I think the collar would solidify this. I'm kind of stuck, I've done all the Nolan pup stuff but no water - he's never swam due to timing with the weather. No bird introductions yet either. So I'll have to go back and start at the beginning with water. Now I wonder, do I jump into the Nolan collar conditioning series, or get the Freddy King annual subscription. I think I can handle the collar conditioning and even Hold, but I worry about Forced Fetch. That seems like it takes experience. I wouldn't be opposed to paying a pro, but I haven't found many around - one I can't get a hold of and one that's out of my budget!

If you watch Freddy's videos on Force Fetch it really isn't that difficult if you follow them. I've put 7 dogs through FF now. All of them turned out great. You can start your CC with the "sit" command before you do FF. Do not do FF until your puppy is done teething.
SIT, Hand on butt pushing down and giving a Nic with collar. The second they sit, stop the Nic. After some of that, stop the hand pressure. Just the sit command and a Nic. The second they start to sit stop the Nic. This is the simplest way to CC.