“Corner Crossing”…. Shots?

[Warmsy]

It would be nice to be stupid rich and have your own UH60 to fly your camp in and out.

Slingload the elk off the mountain.

I called a local airfield to ask how much to get a helicopter to a landlocked blm parcel and it was $6k to get off the ground... Parcel is about 5 miles from the airfield!

 

[Dogone]

Lots of small choppers for much less than 1000.00$ an hour. 6000.00$ must be a ten seater. R44 carries three. Shop around.

 

[Reburn]

I called a local airfield to ask how much to get a helicopter to a landlocked blm parcel and it was $6k to get off the ground... Parcel is about 5 miles from the airfield!

Damn dude. Charter a R44. Not a F-ing bell 407.

 

[mt100gr.]

What about shooting from private to private (same ownership, leased) over public? Do all the "public land owners" have a gripe there? Asking for a friend.

 

[Laramie]

No, just the idiot that makes a claim that they can't back up. Good luck with those sources. I'll start looking myself.

But I can lol. Let me know how it turns out when you call any states DA to ask their stance.

 

[Laramie]

What about shooting from private to private (same ownership, leased) over public? Do all the "public land owners" have a gripe there? Asking for a friend.

You would be legal... since you are an owner of the public as well.

 

[Reburn]

What about shooting from private to private (same ownership, leased) over public? Do all the "public land owners" have a gripe there? Asking for a friend.

I have asked this specific question in NM antelope hunting and the warden said dont do it unless you have a public land tag valid for that unit AND permission from the landowner in writting to be on his land. He didnt cite regs so I wont either.

 

[accountantsanonymous]

But I can lol. Let me know how it turns out when you call any states DA to ask their stance.

You clearly don’t understand how this works.

You definitively said it’s illegal in 50 states, so YOU have that burden of proof. Tell me where someone made the claim that it was legal, and we can ask for those sources.

Why, exactly am I responsible for doing your leg work because you made a ridiculous statement, and don’t have the intellectual responsibility to back it up? But you keep digging that hole, which ironically still contains exactly zero sources for your claim thus far.

 

[doc holiday13]

now land owners are gonna be posting tall growing pines at their corners so you can't see the game animals near the property corner..

 

[TagSoup_Chef]

Hey all - got an email reply from my local game warden (Colorado).



"Generally speaking, airspace is not owned by anyone.

That being said, there are numerous factors that come into play in this situation, such as the presence of people, buildings, livestock, and the potential impedance or bother of activity on private property.

In the one you have described, it could be viewed as being legal, but every situation is different and if this matter were presented to the courts, I think it would come down to the reasonableness determined by the courts.

I wish I could be clearer, but this is not a black and white interpretation, and I would either consult an attorney for formal legal advice and/or just understand that there is the potential for legal argument/consequences on both sides of this argument."



Probably will make some people upset with my next interpretation, but these remote parcels I am hunting over are not really a threat to any livestock, person, or building. I work in construction management, and when it comes to ambiguity with contracts, having the ability to make an argument in the “gray space” comes down to your own competencies and tolerance for managing risk.

I’d generally err on the side of not taking these shots due to the ambiguity and potential for legal consequences, but in the case of the elk I saw last year I would make that shot now…. Just my $.02.

Plus I now have written proof of the CPW telling me it’s poorly defined!

 

[Laramie]

Hey all - got an email reply from my local game warden (Colorado).



"Generally speaking, airspace is not owned by anyone.

That being said, there are numerous factors that come into play in this situation, such as the presence of people, buildings, livestock, and the potential impedance or bother of activity on private property.

In the one you have described, it could be viewed as being legal, but every situation is different and if this matter were presented to the courts, I think it would come down to the reasonableness determined by the courts.

I wish I could be clearer, but this is not a black and white interpretation, and I would either consult an attorney for formal legal advice and/or just understand that there is the potential for legal argument/consequences on both sides of this argument."



Probably will make some people upset with my next interpretation, but these remote parcels I am hunting over are not really a threat to any livestock, person, or building. I work in construction management, and when it comes to ambiguity with contracts, having the ability to make an argument in the “gray space” comes down to your own competencies and tolerance for managing risk.

I’d generally err on the side of not taking these shots due to the ambiguity and potential for legal consequences, but in the case of the elk I saw last year I would make that shot now…. Just my $.02.

Plus I now have written proof of the CPW telling me it’s poorly defined!

The game Warden won't be the one to worry about. Not sure why everyone seems to think that is the place to find an answer?

This will be deemed illegal in all 50 states if a landowner makes a complaint. Bullets traveling through someone else's private property, intentionally, would be prosecuted 100% of the time.

Not worth it. Seriously use common sense everyone.

 

[TagSoup_Chef]

I agree the warden is not the only source (he even recommends further discussion with an attorney), but the CPW was certainly the place to start. Just communicating my findings. If there are other places, resources, and knowledge you have gathered on this, I think most folks are interested and all ears.

I don’t agree with speaking in the hypothetical “illegal in all 50 states if a landowner decides to prosecute”. I could in the same breath make a blanket statement “it’s legal in all 50 states until a landowner decides to prosecute”. Neither of those statements provide a legal basis. The truth is it may already be illegal in some states and not defined or even legal in others. And just because one landowner complains doesn’t mean it’s going to the Supreme Court to become a federal law.

Thus far, my research shows it’s clearly nuanced in my state. Hell the game warden goes as far to say as, “…In the one you have described, it could be viewed as being legal, but every situation is different…”

Well, in my situation, shooting very high over the top of a narrow stretch of remote private from my remote public glassing knob to another piece of remote public seems pretty low risk. Sure, I’m not gonna make a habit of it, and heck I’ll go as far as to try and get in a position to NOT take that shot, but I’m not shooting over farmer Joe and his family while they eat dinner on their back porch.