Colorado…….GOING, GOING, GONE???

Tough topic that hits a little to close to home. I'm 4th generation and this state is toast. I feel a little too stuck with home/kids/interest rates, etc. but when the kids are out of the house I think that Northern Idaho and Montana are likely destinations for me and the wife. I've thought about the aspect of trying to stay and fight the issues and not 'run away' as some have said, but at some point you feel like you're on a sinking ship with a tablespoon to bail water. Doesn't look like it's going to get better any time soon or not soon either.
 
Not sure how I’ve missed this, but just learned that CPW was running a pilot program for last few years trying to push people to adopt non-toxic shot / bullets for all hunting. The program ends July 1, 2026.. what are the odds we see a lead ammo ban similar to Cali here within the next few years?
 
I lived in Colorado for 35 years, worked in Aspen, Snowmass, Carbondale, and Glenwood. I got really into hunting at the age of 26. I hunted high country buck in 471 a few times, hunted elk all over 471, 43, 444, 47 and once unit 61. I killed a bighorn ram in 2006 at the base of Sopris, a mountain goat billy in 2001 near the town of independence. A lion over near Gypsum, bears above Aspen, and down on Missouri heights. Deer in 471, 43, 444, 5, 34, 44. Won a raffle tag for deer Governors tag once too. The hunting was great for deer in the early 90's, elk really came into play in the late 90's and early 2000's. I killed several big bulls, and missed some giants. The opportunities to hunt were great as well.

In the last 10 to 15 years I got more preference points than deer tags, the elk population starting dropping like a rock around 2008 or 2009, while at the same time the hunting pressure went through the roof. Quality of elk peaked in that area around 2006 to 2008. Where in the early 90's I'd see 330 to 360 bulls every season, by late 2000's I would rarely see a bull bigger than 300 in some areas.
Parks was merged with DOW because parks needed money and DOW had money coming in. My understanding was that DOW was the only state agency that didn't receive tax money, only license sales. Parks siphoned money off that was needed for game management. I knew many of the DOW officers back in those days. Unit 444 elk herd was down 60% when I last spoke to the DWM back in 2019 or 2020, they didn't know why. I was told that the decision makers in Denver were pushing cow tags for the revenue. There were years I got 3 elk tags, many years where there were 500 left over PLO cow tags. Last I saw there were still some cow tags being issued.

Quality of the hunt started going down noticeably in about the mid 2000's. Hunter numbers seemed to be very high in some areas. I counted more hunters than antelope when I last hunted antelope in 2009. Deer numbers in 444 were hit hard back in about 1996, they didn't seem to recover in numbers ever, though quality did come back around 2016.

CWD exists in way more areas than they admit. I had extensive discussions with CPW employees about CWD, it appeared then that they had a much more extensive problem than they thought. My buddy hunted an area north of Eagle several years back with mandatory testing, his deer tested positive, the next year CPW said CWD was not known to exist in that area.
I left a few years ago, since then it seems like circling the bowl has transitioned to down the drain. Training class to buy a gas operated semi auto now. Additional taxes, 11% i believe, on ammo. Magazine capacity limits. Illegal to make your own gun now, or posess one you made legally in the past. Red Flag law. State license to be an FFL. License plate cameras going into the shooting range, cameras with audio on the shooting line, video recorded and kept forever. Video accessible to "law enforcement".

And now you have wolves, wolves that were known to be preying on livestock before they were transplanted. It is only a matter of time now before the deer and elk populations are in trouble. Impede lion hunting, like they tried to do, and deer will suffer immensely as will the avalanche creek bighorn sheep herd.

The anti gun laws will only get worse, the anti gun culture will only increase. Wildlife will suffer from poaching, predation, and mismanagement. Freedom in general will continue to erode. Traffic was horrible there several years ago and from friends there it is worse than ever. And, they keep raising taxes. License fees will continue to go up.

Colorado with its impressive scenery is already gone. There is NO voting that will slow down the rot, let alone reverse it.
 
I lived in Colorado for 35 years, worked in Aspen, Snowmass, Carbondale, and Glenwood. I got really into hunting at the age of 26. I hunted high country buck in 471 a few times, hunted elk all over 471, 43, 444, 47 and once unit 61. I killed a bighorn ram in 2006 at the base of Sopris, a mountain goat billy in 2001 near the town of independence. A lion over near Gypsum, bears above Aspen, and down on Missouri heights. Deer in 471, 43, 444, 5, 34, 44. Won a raffle tag for deer Governors tag once too. The hunting was great for deer in the early 90's, elk really came into play in the late 90's and early 2000's. I killed several big bulls, and missed some giants. The opportunities to hunt were great as well.

In the last 10 to 15 years I got more preference points than deer tags, the elk population starting dropping like a rock around 2008 or 2009, while at the same time the hunting pressure went through the roof. Quality of elk peaked in that area around 2006 to 2008. Where in the early 90's I'd see 330 to 360 bulls every season, by late 2000's I would rarely see a bull bigger than 300 in some areas.
Parks was merged with DOW because parks needed money and DOW had money coming in. My understanding was that DOW was the only state agency that didn't receive tax money, only license sales. Parks siphoned money off that was needed for game management. I knew many of the DOW officers back in those days. Unit 444 elk herd was down 60% when I last spoke to the DWM back in 2019 or 2020, they didn't know why. I was told that the decision makers in Denver were pushing cow tags for the revenue. There were years I got 3 elk tags, many years where there were 500 left over PLO cow tags. Last I saw there were still some cow tags being issued.

Quality of the hunt started going down noticeably in about the mid 2000's. Hunter numbers seemed to be very high in some areas. I counted more hunters than antelope when I last hunted antelope in 2009. Deer numbers in 444 were hit hard back in about 1996, they didn't seem to recover in numbers ever, though quality did come back around 2016.

CWD exists in way more areas than they admit. I had extensive discussions with CPW employees about CWD, it appeared then that they had a much more extensive problem than they thought. My buddy hunted an area north of Eagle several years back with mandatory testing, his deer tested positive, the next year CPW said CWD was not known to exist in that area.
I left a few years ago, since then it seems like circling the bowl has transitioned to down the drain. Training class to buy a gas operated semi auto now. Additional taxes, 11% i believe, on ammo. Magazine capacity limits. Illegal to make your own gun now, or posess one you made legally in the past. Red Flag law. State license to be an FFL. License plate cameras going into the shooting range, cameras with audio on the shooting line, video recorded and kept forever. Video accessible to "law enforcement".

And now you have wolves, wolves that were known to be preying on livestock before they were transplanted. It is only a matter of time now before the deer and elk populations are in trouble. Impede lion hunting, like they tried to do, and deer will suffer immensely as will the avalanche creek bighorn sheep herd.

The anti gun laws will only get worse, the anti gun culture will only increase. Wildlife will suffer from poaching, predation, and mismanagement. Freedom in general will continue to erode. Traffic was horrible there several years ago and from friends there it is worse than ever. And, they keep raising taxes. License fees will continue to go up.

Colorado with its impressive scenery is already gone. There is NO voting that will slow down the rot, let alone reverse it.
Cool well thanks for playing/ complaining. I’m from here. There is no retreat. Burn the ships, I’ll stay and fight. Or I guess we could abandon anywhere we lose ground :(. Yes it is a tough situation, yes it’s an uphill fight. But did a law that many thought would be a slam dunk get stone walled 60/40 last year?! Yes!

Lot of guys on here acting like they never packed an elk out of the wilderness, or did anything hard or uncomfortable in their lives. I’m glad you left since you obviously don’t have the heart or spine to stand and fight, hopefully you keep the keys to the moving van just in case some liberals get into power in your new state

Ps I’m young enough that I didn’t have a chance to vote on a lot of the stuff that made Co looney… sounds like you were of voting age for a long time, so did you bury your head in the sand or not take a stand back then when the state was majority red?
 
Born here, will die here. Vote with your feet by leaving, you'll get the same results sooner or later elsewhere. All I hear(bulk of comments) is it was once great, now it sucks, I'm leaving or glad I left. Vaya Con Dios. I'll likely die without drawing Moose, Goat, or Ram, but is more likely due to influencing driving "the great backpack hunt" in the last 15 years than it is Jared Polis and Marlon. Many moved here to chase our Muley's and Elk herd, got blessed by the resource and now pout about the state and bounced. Hence part of the problem.

1974 population when I was born just over 2.5 million, today over 6 million. Almost all of that is migration into the state and not birth rates. If you came searching for the land of honey and gold, partook in the glory days and then seek to leave, then I wish you the best. You're leaving me a better shot at some tags and I will keep voting and fighting for my rights to hunt the mountains I was born in!
 
Born here, will die here. Vote with your feet by leaving, you'll get the same results sooner or later elsewhere. All I hear(bulk of comments) is it was once great, now it sucks, I'm leaving or glad I left. Vaya Con Dios. I'll likely die without drawing Moose, Goat, or Ram, but is more likely due to influencing driving "the great backpack hunt" in the last 15 years than it is Jared Polis and Marlon. Many moved here to chase our Muley's and Elk herd, got blessed by the resource and now pout about the state and bounced. Hence part of the problem.

1974 population when I was born just over 2.5 million, today over 6 million. Almost all of that is migration into the state and not birth rates. If you came searching for the land of honey and gold, partook in the glory days and then seek to leave, then I wish you the best. You're leaving me a better shot at some tags and I will keep voting and fighting for my rights to hunt the mountains I was born in!
So true! I was born in 89’ and we were still sub 3 million original Co folks know this place is worth fighting for
 
Cool well thanks for playing/ complaining. I’m from here. There is no retreat. Burn the ships, I’ll stay and fight. Or I guess we could abandon anywhere we lose ground :(. Yes it is a tough situation, yes it’s an uphill fight. But did a law that many thought would be a slam dunk get stone walled 60/40 last year?! Yes!

Lot of guys on here acting like they never packed an elk out of the wilderness, or did anything hard or uncomfortable in their lives. I’m glad you left since you obviously don’t have the heart or spine to stand and fight, hopefully you keep the keys to the moving van just in case some liberals get into power in your new state

Ps I’m young enough that I didn’t have a chance to vote on a lot of the stuff that made Co looney… sounds like you were of voting age for a long time, so did you bury your head in the sand or not take a stand back then when the state was majority red?
I voted every election I could legally vote in. I volunteered for DOW. I testified for DOW. I hunted some of the hardest country Colorado has to offer, successfully. I went to and contributed to fundraisers for game management. I did habitat improvement on my own and other properties.
What law that was stonewalled? Lion hunting, hardly a stonewall, it just barely got defeated. Next time not likely.
Take your personal insults and shove them up your vajayjay.

Colorado Sucks, glad I'm not there with dipshits like you.
 
I voted every election I could legally vote in. I volunteered for DOW. I testified for DOW. I hunted some of the hardest country Colorado has to offer, successfully. I went to and contributed to fundraisers for game management. I did habitat improvement on my own and other properties.
What law that was stonewalled? Lion hunting, hardly a stonewall, it just barely got defeated. Next time not likely.
Take your personal insults and shove them up your vajayjay.

Colorado Sucks, glad I'm not there with dipshits like you.
Well clearly you have nothing productive to say here so you should abandon this conversation just like you abandoned the state. Those of us who actually care to preserve our way of life can continue to talk about it and what we can do to fight for it.

Time for you to make like a tree
 
I voted every election I could legally vote in. I volunteered for DOW. I testified for DOW. I hunted some of the hardest country Colorado has to offer, successfully. I went to and contributed to fundraisers for game management. I did habitat improvement on my own and other properties.
What law that was stonewalled? Lion hunting, hardly a stonewall, it just barely got defeated. Next time not likely.
Take your personal insults and shove them up your vajayjay.

Colorado Sucks, glad I'm not there with dipshits like you.
60/40 is an absolute mandate on that issue.

If you were so tough why did you run? Well you ran so it really doesn’t matter. Keep tucking tail when the going gets tough 🫡
 
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