Cimmaron headroom

[208backcountry]

I am always bothered by the silnylon being right in my face the moment that any sort of slight breeze pushes on my side of the tent. We sleep length wise down the guyed-out sidewalls of the tent.

Anyone running a seek outside cimmaron have a strategy to maximize headroom while sleeping?
do you arrange your tent differently with two guys + stove to help with this?

 

[*zap*]

I would think exterior mid height tie outs pulled back and supported with a stick of wood/trekking pole equal in height to the tie out or just tied to something natural that equals the height of the tie out.

 

[208backcountry]

I would think exterior mid height tie outs pulled back and supported with a stick of wood/trekking pole equal in height to the tie out or just tied to something natural that equals the height of the tie out.

my next step is definitely to sew on some extra guy outs of some kind to create some space. Good idea on the stick to support them.

I also thought of sewing and reinforcing an approx 12-16” pocket or sleeve at my head and feet. It could hold a stick or small carbon pole that I could then tension out with a guy out. I’m thinking kind of similar to the way the head and feet of a Hilleberg Enan guy out, but remain supported vertically, but only with one pole instead of the triangular setup.

I would love to avoid sewing or altering anything, though. I’m hoping that people have some other strategies that I’m not thinking of.

 

[*zap*]

I would think that the manufacturer would sew on tie outs after the fact fairly reasonably if you sip it to them. When I get mine I want extra tie outs, extra interior hang loops and screens on the doors..may be a while because kung flu has set my economy back a bit...

 

[208backcountry]

That’s not a bad idea! I bet they would. You are right though, it may be easier with the plague to just do it myself.

 

[Wiscgunner]

I too sleep along the guyout side of the Cimarron. I use either trekking poles or sticks to pull UP on the guyouts. This gives me a lot of extra headroom as well as tightens up the whole structure of the tipi. I am 6’1” for reference and the sides very spacious. A taller person would want to sleep across the doors for more length but there isn’t a guyout on the doors although I see some people guy out on the door ties which I worty will cause damage because they ate not reinforced for that purpose.

 

[208backcountry]

I too sleep along the guyout side of the Cimarron. I use either trekking poles or sticks to pull UP on the guyouts. This gives me a lot of extra headroom as well as tightens up the whole structure of the tipi. I am 6’1” for reference and the sides very spacious. A taller person would want to sleep across the doors for more length but there isn’t a guyout on the doors although I see some people guy out on the door ties which I worty will cause damage because they ate not reinforced for that purpose.
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Thanks! I’m going to experiment and see how much this helps.

 

[Cody_W]

Running the trekking pole or a stick to pull up on the guy out like Wiscgunner should give you all the room you need. Running linelocs with the perimeter of the tent a few inches off the ground and stretched out to create a larger diameter may also help. And fight condensation some. Love my cimarron and sleep with a bivy so no worries on running my head on a wet tent.

 

[208backcountry]

Running the trekking pole or a stick to pull up on the guy out like Wiscgunner should give you all the room you need. Running linelocs with the perimeter of the tent a few inches off the ground and stretched out to create a larger diameter may also help. And fight condensation some. Love my cimarron and sleep with a bivy so no worries on running my head on a wet tent.

do you have any pictures with it pitched up high like that?

 

[Cody_W]

picture from a fellow Rokslider I found. It isn’t possible without adding Cora sage to the stake loops, but will add a good bit of usable real estate and cut down condensation immensely. Hope this helps.

 

[Wiscgunner]

It is absolutely amazing how much extra room it feels like when it is a just a few inches off the ground but there are a lot of other benefits to setting up your floorless shelter with "flex pitch" capability.

In colder weather I set mine up tight to the ground as I would rather have frost inside than a draft. In warmer weather I pitch it higher to get a little air underneath to keep the tent cooler and/or dryer. If pitching on wet ground or in wet air like a humid day, rainy day or near a river pitching it higher will help with keeping the condensation reduced. The more the ground is covered inside the shelter the less condensation you will have from the ground drying out under the tent. You will always have moisture simply from your breath and body temperature regulating but if you use a ground sheet on wet ground it drastically helps. Setting up on green vegetation is like creating a terrarium.

What I like best though compared to my standard tents is the flexibility. I can pitch this on uneven ground, over stumps or bushed without the concern I would have of things poking up through a standard tent. Also, as in this picture, I can pitch upwind side of the tent tight to the ground (back side) and the downwind side off the ground. This eliminated annoying dust as well as drafts from getting too cold yet provides proper ventilation on the down wind side.

The best thing to do is to set you gear up and play with the different options yourself to see it first hand what you can do and if it works for you.

 

[Wiscgunner]

Here are a couple picture (not mine) that I have collected in my research before deciding upon my Cimarron that show pitches off the ground.

 

[Bearsears]

Also I think alot of guys pull the sides out too far or set the pole too high which cause the shelter to look more like a bell. I did this at first with my Redcliff and it really reduced the amount of headroom on the sides.

I use sticks or poles all the time now on the side guyouts and I trun them up higher than the guyout point to get more head room.

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[Firehawk]

Also I think alot of guys pull the sides out too far or set the pole too high which cause the shelter to look more like a bell. I did this at first with my Redcliff and it really reduced the amount of headroom on the sides.

I use sticks or poles all the time now on the side guyouts and I trun them up higher than the guyout point to get more head room.

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I am new to these types of shelters, but I have seen this technique used quite a bit and I like the idea that more headroom/side room is created. Can't wait to try it.

 

[92xj]

raised off the ground a few inches and guy outs angled up, like others have said and showed.

 

[CO-AJ]

I am leaning toward the Cimarron in DCF. First the size for weight is awesome. Second 4 season flexibility is great. 3rd all reports on SO is they are awesome to work with. Only drawback is paying tax on a 1000.00+ tent since I am in CO. Will most likely be used as a solo tent. I am really trying to decide on the LBO nest or 1/2 nest. LBO gives more vestibule floor space, and if all you are doing is sleeping in the nest why take up extra sq ft?