Cimarron vs. LBO w/3 piece

[ndbwhunter]

Need a new shelter, and have no experience with either of these. I like the price of these two. What are the major differences, downfalls, benefits, etc.? Will be used primarily during the early season, but would like the option to run a stove in October or November if needed.

 

[stevenm2]

Cimmarron is 94 sq. ft.
LBO w/3pc is 72 sq. ft.
4 man is 117 sq. ft. the stove eats up sq. ft. fast

 

[luke moffat]

How many people you plan to sleep in there?

 

[ndbwhunter]

Never more than two. I'm 6'4 240 and like my space. Besides the size differences, have you noticed any issues with either in terms of the weather (wind, rain, snow)? I know the cimarron only has a couple mid guy lines.

 

[KH_bowfly]

I'm interested in this too. You might also consider a base-base (85 sf) as a little closer comparison to the Cimarron. I'm debating between a Cimarron vs LBO too. I was thinking base-vestibule for early season and base-base with stove for late season. The versatility is nice, but the Cimarron looks good too!

 

[GFY]

I am thinking about the same thing so along for the ride. Would be 3 with me sometimes though.

 

[Jarrod Renaud]

Go with the cimmaron. I've got the LBO and I'm 6'2". I went with it because of the versatility but now that I've used it I wish I had gone with a cimmaron and a seperate tarp shelter if I go solo and want to be minimal. Solo it's a mansion but, two with gear feels more cramped than I thought it would. Also now that I went floor less to get more room in a lighter package, I wish I could stand up in there, can't with the LBO.

 

[ndbwhunter]

Which pole are you guys using with the cimarron?

 

[luke moffat]

Most of the time I am using trekking poles as a center pole.

 

[muledhunter]

I've got the rei tarp pole in mine.

 

[ndbwhunter]

What is the best way to lash the trekking poles? I'm using black diamond carbon z poles that are 52" and not adjustable. Some people recommend attaching the pole straps and then lashing at the overlap, but my poles would be too long for the cimarron. Is there another way to do it when using poles that aren't adjustable?

 

[Hungarydog]

I use trekking poles, overlap poles tip to tip at the desired length, then tie a piece of cordage from tip to tip. Next lash the poles together where they overlap. I use small velcro straps but you can also use cordage. If you want I can send you a pic of what it looks like later.

 

[luke moffat]

What is the best way to lash the trekking poles? I'm using black diamond carbon z poles that are 52" and not adjustable. Some people recommend attaching the pole straps and then lashing at the overlap, but my poles would be too long for the cimarron. Is there another way to do it when using poles that aren't adjustable?

Not much help, but I don't use Z poles for that very reason. BD Trailback treking poles for $60 are only about 4 oz total weight heavier and keep me from having to haul a separate center pole which would be much more than that total weight anyways.

 

[LionHead]

Go with the cimmaron.... Also now that I went floor less to get more room in a lighter package, I wish I could stand up in there, can't with the LBO.

lol I did the same thing! Was contemplating the LBO for its modularity or the cimmeron because its taller. ended up with the BCS2 plus the Grande panel. Same modularity but with room to stand.

If its cold/wet then I want a stove and I want stand up room.

If I'm trying to get UL while solo in moderate weather ill revert back to square tarps. Anything else.ill pay the weight for the BCS

 

[ndbwhunter]

How does the BCS2 compare to the sawtooth? I can't afford the sawtooth, but now I'm stuck between the cimarron and the BCS2. I know the sawtooth is bomb proof, but I've read some reviews that said the BCS2 doesn't do well with winds. Is there any truth to this?

 

[LionHead]

I cannot comment on the sawtooth I've never been in one, but if its built anything like the supertarp which I've run for 3 years then it'll be solid as expected.

I've only had my BCS2 for 2 weeks and other than a trip to the local lake I haven't fielded it yet . That being said I don't believe Seekoutside builds shelters that fall over . The BCS2 is sturdy from what I've seen thus far

 

[ndbwhunter]

I cannot comment n

Do you have any pictures of the BCS2? What is the difference between the BCS2 with or without the Grande panel? The seek outside website doesn't go into much detail on the conversion.

 

[LionHead]

Grande panel (alternate pitch), BCS2 and supertarp

Grande panel attached

The Grande panel is literally just another base(larger back half panel) that can zip in place of the vestibule. Kind of like opening up two sleeping bags and zipping them together.

There is a sil flap on top of the cone that velcros over the other half to seal off the top. In this case with my mis matched production run its easy to illustrate. since both bases have this feature the Grande can be capped with the brown base or the black base. The vestibule doesnt have the cap only the Velcro.

Essentialy I have 1.5 BCS2's and if I chose I could order another vestibule in brown and have one in each color .

 

[LionHead]

www.rokslide.com/forums/showthread.php?32535-Seek-Outside-BCs-2-refference-pics

 

[LionHead]

The sawtooth was originally my next intended shelter . What sold me on the BCS2 was price, weight and layout. I much prefer the dual zipper access. when running 2 dudes with gear we'll each have an exit Without having to work around the center pole. this also makes the stove jack placement seem more ideal