ChatGPT virtual scouting assistance

[ODB]

Ever hear of something called the law?

Hunt within the law, you're g2g.

That's how biologists actually determine tag allowances/quotas, btw...with the technology and means of take that hunters are allowed to utilize.

Not some Fudd on the internet who thinks any shot past 300 yards is unethical.

"The Law" describes the LOWEST form of expected behavior - not the highest. Just remember that.

 

[ianpadron]

"The Law" describes the LOWEST form of expected behavior - not the highest. Just remember that.

Yup, which is why I make my own decisions within that framework rather than throw out my holier than thou, and laughably arbitrary ethics that I expect everyone else to agree with.

The "anything past 300 yards is unethical group" are particularly annoying. Just because you shoot a half box of corelokts through your 30.06 every year doesn't mean everyone else is incapable with a rifle.

Thread derailed.

 

[ODB]

Yup, which is why I make my own decisions within that framework rather than throw out my holier than thou, and laughably arbitrary ethics that I expect everyone else to agree with.

The "anything past 300 yards is unethical group" are particularly annoying. Just because you shoot a half box of corelokts through your 30.06 every year doesn't mean everyone else is incapable with a rifle.

Thread derailed.

The public square is where those ethical debates are supposed to happen - as a lack of ethics often results in stricter laws due to people not being able to control their behavior. Just remember that, too.

 

[repins05]

The public square is where those ethical debates are supposed to happen - as a lack of ethics often results in stricter laws due to people not being able to control their behavior. Just remember that, too.

True......but what defines ethics or lack there of?

Where does it stop? anything past 30 yards with a compound bow is unethical group ....

and so on and so on....

 

[MountainTracker]

Oh hell don’t give GoHunt any ideas. I’m sure they’ll find a way to whore it out for a dollar.

Platforms that deal with helping folks draw tags have a ridiculous amount of data to pull from. Imagine having an idea of how many points a group has for a species in a state and then cross reference that with how much activity they have on their platform for said state, species, unit. You would be able to build a picture of where a group may put most of their points. You could then avoid putting in for those hunts and apply in an area with low “activity” search on the platform to up chances.

Hope that makes sense.

I don’t mark spots in OnX either.

Tinfoil hat I know….

To AI, it is already out performing doctors when it comes to diagnosing illnesses. Robotics are having a higher success rate for recovery. There will come a time when a human doesn’t do any of the surgery bc the risk is too high compared to AI and robots. Insurance won’t approve the procedure. So yes jobs will be lost , unless you are the guy building the code but eventually they’ll be out of a job also.


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[Poser]

I tried uploading an image and asking variations on "where would I find elk activity?"
I tried this on all the big players: Gemini Pro and Flash, Grok3, Chat 4.1 etc and couldn't get any generative response.

 

[txtransplant]

Yup, which is why I make my own decisions within that framework rather than throw out my holier than thou, and laughably arbitrary ethics that I expect everyone else to agree with.

The "anything past 300 yards is unethical group" are particularly annoying. Just because you shoot a half box of corelokts through your 30.06 every year doesn't mean everyone else is incapable with a rifle.

Thread derailed.

Not sure why you’re so worked up about this. I never said *you* have to stop shooting animals from the next county over. I just said I don’t find it ethical to do so. I was drawing an interesting conclusion about how our ethics could differ so widely - I find no objection with any use of AI at a desk for scouting, but object to shooting an animal from so far away that they have almost zero chance of detecting my presence.

 

[Btaylor]

True......but what defines ethics or lack there of?

Where does it stop? anything past 30 yards with a compound bow is unethical group ....

and so on and so on....

A person can certainly take actions that are unethical while being perfectly legal, you have to decide your actions within the law and if they measure up to your ideas of personal ethics. As @ODB mentioned the law sets the lowest bar for legality. I dont know you at all so there is no way for me to know if you are capable of accurately making a 300 or 600 or a 1000 yard shot but you do and most likely those around you do. If you take a shot at a distance you are not fully capable of making, you took an unethical shot, the weapon is irrelevant. But along with the question of ethics, we each have to decide what we consider to be our standard of fair chase within the parameters of the law too. For me personally, I dont consider rifle hunting to be fair chase FOR ME and dont really consider it hunting, its just shooting. Make no mistake, I have nothing against a good killin at times and for particular reasons, I just view it separately from hunting and fair chase. I think there needs to be a reasonable expectation the animal knows or could detect it is being pursued for me to consider it hunting. Three, four, five hundred yards aint that, again for me.

The public debate is needed for consensus on where that lowest bar gets set for legal and fair chase determinations. Your ethics will determine where you set your own bar within those legal parameters. I take what @ODB is hinting at as a caution that we should encourage hunters to be mindful of and to pursue individual ethical standards higher than the lowest bar and certainly not be looking to lower the bar if we want to protect the future of the pursuits we love.

 

[Bidwell]

I tried uploading an image and asking variations on "where would I find elk activity?"
I tried this on all the big players: Gemini Pro and Flash, Grok3, Chat 4.1 etc and couldn't get any generative response.

Curious - without having spent time in that area, how would you account for potential hallucination in this case? I don't know what sort of grounding (factuality) it might be using or how tool use might play into the generation of the response to your prompt, but my intuition would be that there isn't a lot in the foundational or post-trained models that would lend itself to much expertise with this task. But, hey, emergence.

I think the risk of error in terms of predicting animal movements is pretty high given that, yeah, it's not like we're working with a trained model of deer behavior. With that in mind, I think the terrain analysis aspect should be pretty robust given how much data is available. From there, some simplistic animal movement prediction could take place. As someone else also noted too, there's probably a lot more you can do with this if you're a professional ai developer

Ive been doing some jackrabbit hunting and I was able to locate a general area that possibly contains some sagebrush near me. I think that's pretty neat considering that if you look at the arcGIS map of sagebrush in California, it's not supposed to grow for another 40-50 miles north east . We'll see if it identified the plant correctly though.

 

[PVHunter]

RLHF - Reinforcement learning with hunter feedback

 

[Wprinkle]

The potential negative impacts on everything is real. IMO it's going to be a real job killer.

There are over 600 employees at a business in a nearby small town.. The business announced the launch of AI and predicted 400 plus people would be laid off and replaced by AI. That's one small business in one small town. Imagine total impact.....

 

[Wprinkle]

Typing from under my tinfoil hat.....
I think it is very much a slippery slope. I am sure someone has hacked the (name that platform) database and collected data from guys and compiled spots. I would if I could lol. And I'm sure we are headed in that direction with AI.

For what its worth technology absolutely impacted big game hunting permanently. Both good and bad. The popularity of hunting thus hunting numbers are definitely up from the 90's-2000's with the development of E-Scouting. With that came more support to fight the radical anti's. Invented an industry that is booming for some. But with that came floods of people and a drastic decline in animal numbers and success rates. Joe Smith from the East Coast can now research an area, apply for a tag and have a western hunt without ever having been to that area before. And statistically if enough Joe Smith's show up a certain percentage of them will gunsel their way into killing an elk. Colorado is a prime example of this. Easy to draw tags, poorly managed animals and so on. End of the day, things are changing and we can either adapt or sit around and complain. To each his own but this change is coming and will be harder to stop as its E-Scouting made even easier.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

At the end of the day you still have to get out there. I'm still a relatively new hunter and generally any information is helpful. But I learned quickly that any plan I have quickly goes to hell the second I start hunting.

Don't let the grumpy old men who are afraid of technology turn you away. These are the guys who will talk shit to you for wanting to learn and taking advantage of today's resources while at the same time giving you zero help to learn. They come from a time where it was a lot easier and affordable to go out often and learn by experience. Today does not enable lots of us to be able to do that.

I've been using ChatGPT for several outdoor related things and its become very helpful. it gives a starting point so you have some sort of idea of the subject. i dont know why people have to be so shitty.

 

[NVUplandHunter]

There are over 600 employees at a business in a nearby small town.. The business announced the launch of AI and predicted 400 plus people would be laid off and replaced by AI. That's one small business in one small town. Imagine total impact.....

to me, that sounds like 400 poor performing employees... while it sucks people lose their jobs, if you're viewed as an asset in your place of work, you wont lose your job. business is business not personal. I'm an IT guy and unless i keep upping my skills, technology will replace me too.

 

[Wprinkle]

to me, that sounds like 400 poor performing employees... while it sucks people lose their jobs, if you're viewed as an asset in your place of work, you wont lose your job. business is business not personal. I'm an IT guy and unless i keep upping my skills, technology will replace me too.

Ya I have no clue what they do or if they perform well or not. And absolutely business is business. I am more talking about economic ramifications. Like the auto industry in Detroit. It is what it is but a massive job recession has potential to impact a lot of us. Thankfully ranching and cows has not changed at the same pace as technology lol although I was pretty FN ecstatic when hay bale stackers came out.....

 

[Bidwell]

There are over 600 employees at a business in a nearby small town.. The business announced the launch of AI and predicted 400 plus people would be laid off and replaced by AI. That's one small business in one small town. Imagine total impact.....

That's sad news. At the end of the day, businesses will have to decide whether they want to implement this technology and weigh the impacts to the world/country/city/town/community.

I think there are parallels with ai and the invention of firearms. These are both technologies that can/have fundamentally altered the course of humanity and balance of power. And being tools, we can choose to use them or not, and how we use them. There's sort of an interesting debate here about what responsibilities a company has to a community. In a simplistic view, If a company is public, they are obligated to continue growth as there's no reason to invest in a corporation if they do not make more money than they did last year. Ai is an enticing way to reduce costs, and therefore increase revenue. But as we're seeing, this can be detrimental to society.

I'm not necessarily endorsing any particular point of view right now, just some thoughts. But....If I had to take any stance, I think the public can expect businesses to take a certain amount of care for its community. As it's the public that pays for the roads, utilities and other infrastructure that businesses need to exist. They don't have to think of it as altruism, but as a necessary business expenditure to keep their business running. Not to mention that if people don't have jobs they won't be able to buy their products.

 

[Wprinkle]

That's sad news. At the end of the day, businesses will have to decide whether they want to implement this technology and weigh the impacts to the world/country/city/town/community.

I think there are parallels with ai and the invention of firearms. These are both technologies that can/have fundamentally altered the course of humanity and balance of power. And being tools, we can choose to use them or not, and how we use them. There's sort of an interesting debate here about what responsibilities a company has to a community. In a simplistic view, If a company is public, they are obligated to continue growth as there's no reason to invest in a corporation if they do not make more money than they did last year. Ai is an enticing way to reduce costs, and therefore increase revenue. But as we're seeing, this can be detrimental to society.

I'm not necessarily endorsing any particular point of view right now, just some thoughts. But....If I had to take any stance, I think the public can expect businesses to take a certain amount of care for its community. As it's the public that pays for the roads, utilities and other infrastructure that businesses need to exist. They don't have to think of it as altruism, but as a necessary business expenditure to keep their business running. Not to mention that if people don't have jobs they won't be able to buy their products.

Not sure how I feel about a lot of it either. Will absolutely have an impact globally and economically. Back when "wind power" came out my family was excited to have them as it was very profitable. Now looking back we all pretty much agree it was one of the biggest mistakes we made. Almost like selling your morals or integrity.

 

[BRTreedogs]

I see y’all are the type that only see in black and white, everything is either fully right or fully wrong.

I suppose if you two aren’t hunting with your teeth and claws, then you believe there is and should be ZERO limits on the use of technology and machines in the aid of hunting, right? That’s why you use drones for scouting and thermal scopes to locate prey?

No?

Oh, then we both agree that there is a line *somewhere* along the technology spectrum that would overstep fair chase.

What was your point again?

So what arbitrary distance does it go from ok to shoot one to not ok according to you.

Do you have to be within some Kentucky wind age I think maybe I can hit it distance?
300/400?

If they haven’t evolved to evade a supersonic bullet at 620 have they evolved to avoid one at 300?

Is it only of to shoot at an animal if they know your there?

 

[rogerthat]

This thread is hilarious. I’m not too worried about couch scouters. They can use all the AI they want. Ai is just the latest overblown overhyped tech that is likely going to underperform and be less transformative than the hype. Don’t forget that the easiest way to stop AI is no different than dealing with a cocky software engineer and shut the power off to the computer.

 

[Bidwell]

This thread is hilarious. I’m not too worried about couch scouters. They can use all the AI they want. Ai is just the latest overblown overhyped tech that is likely going to underperform and be less transformative than the hype. Don’t forget that the easiest way to stop AI is no different than dealing with a cocky software engineer and shut the power off to the computer.

There's a big part of me that thinks ai in general will hit a massive wall at some point. I think it may live up to expectations is some ways, and in others it will never reach the hype we've put on it. There are others who know a lot more about it than I do and are pretty confident it will be as disruptive as some fear. So we'll see how it goes.