Canada's Trudeau set to resign any day as Finance Minister resigns

[IdahoBeav]

Maybe, if Canada goes far enough to the right. . .

They definitely need to move to the right.

 

[Wyobohunter]

They definitely need to move to the right.

For sure, who doesn’t want to go bankrupt over a medical issue?

 

[IdahoBeav]

For sure, who doesn’t want to go bankrupt over a medical issue?

Is that worse than having to wait months and possibly being denied care or even possibly being recommended for assisted suicide?

 

[Wyobohunter]

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[Wyobohunter]

Is that worse than having to wait months and possibly being denied care or even possibly being recommended for assisted suicide?

Hit me with a source.

 

[IdahoBeav]

Hit me with a source.

Canadian Health Care Leaves Patients Frozen In Line

This year, Canadian patients faced a median wait of 27.7 weeks for medically necessary treatment from a specialist after being referred by a general practitioner.

www.forbes.com

Some Canadian health care patients say they’re being encouraged to just die already

Sick Canadians should have their right to die respected, but government-funded healthcare workers shouldn't be pushing it on patients to save money.

reason.com

 

[Wyobohunter]

Canadian Health Care Leaves Patients Frozen In Line

This year, Canadian patients faced a median wait of 27.7 weeks for medically necessary treatment from a specialist after being referred by a general practitioner.

www.forbes.com

Some Canadian health care patients say they’re being encouraged to just die already

Sick Canadians should have their right to die respected, but government-funded healthcare workers shouldn't be pushing it on patients to save money.

reason.com

I’ll check out the “Reason” article, they are considered credible. Give me a bit and I’ll read it on the bus ride home.

As for Forbes…

Forbes - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

 

[IdahoBeav]

I’ll check out the “Reason” article, they are considered credible. Give me a bit and I’ll read it on the bus ride home.

As for Forbes…

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Forbes - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appeals to emotion or

mediabiasfactcheck.com

So you're going to go with an ad hominem on Forbes because of "Least Biased" and "Mostly Factual" ratings?

When you read the news, are you reading to learn or are you only reading to confirm your own beliefs?

 

[Wyobohunter]

So you're going to go with an ad hominem on Forbes because of "Least Biased" and "Mostly Factual" ratings?

When you read the news, are you reading to learn or are you only reading to confirm your own beliefs?

I don’t think you know what an ad hominem is. Pointing out that a source isn’t as credible as it could be is not ad hominem. You’d likely have the same reaction if I posted something by Newsweek (or a left leaning counterpart).

I’ll post stuff from highly credible sources, you should do the same.

 

[Wyobohunter]

@IdahoBeav​

The article you posted was pretty short, so I read it. There were definitely some small number of cases of people needlessly dying, which is not acceptable. With that in mind, and more recently…​

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Canada Backtracks on Allowing Euthanasia for the Mentally Ill​

“… But in late January, Canadian Minister of Health Mark Holland announced the move would be pushed back further, citing concerns that the country’s health system wasn’t “ready” for the MAID expansion…

… In 2016, the first year the law was enacted, 1,018 Canadians died with medical assistance, according to Health Canada, a federal institution responsible for standards of care. In 2021, that number jumped to 10,000, accounting for 3.3% of all deaths in Canada that year. Since the legislation passed, nearly 45,000 Canadians have died with medical assistance…

… For the first five years of the law’s life, only those with irremediable conditions and a “reasonably foreseeable” natural death were eligible: Upward of 60% of Canadians who died with medical assistance as of 2022 had cancer, and nearly 80% had received palliative care of some kind.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2024-03-05/canada-backtracks-on-euthanasia-for-the-mentally-ill

In other words, most Canadians who chose MAID were terminally ill, and the Canadian government is rethinking some aspects of MAID.

Meanwhile…

Lack of Insurance to Blame for Almost 45,000 Deaths: Study​

“… As many as 44,789 Americans of working age die each year because they lack health insurance, more than the number who die annually from kidney disease.”

Lack of Insurance to Blame for Almost 45,000 Deaths: Study - PNHP

HealthDay News Atlanta Journal Constitution THURSDAY, Sept. 17 If you doubt that lack of health insurance can have deadly consequences, consider these new findings: Americans without health insurance are 40 percent more likely to die than those with private insurance. As many as 44,789...

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And we aren’t going to change a damn thing, because a privileged few make too much money by taking advantage of for profit medical care.

Canadian healthcare isn’t without flaws, they rank 32; the US ranks 69 (of 167).

Health and health system ranking of countries worldwide in 2023 | Statista

The dataset shows the ranking of world's best health and healthcare systems according to the Legatum Institute Foundation's most recent rating.

www.statista.com

 

[IdahoBeav]

I don’t think you know what an ad hominem is. Pointing out that a source isn’t as credible as it could be is not ad hominem.

I’ll post stuff from highly credible sources, you should do the same.

As in attacking the source instead of the argument?

FYI, your metric shows Forbes as being quite credible and showing little bias.

 

[Wyobohunter]

As in attacking the source instead of the argument?

FYI, your metric shows Forbes as being quite credible and showing little bias.

They aren’t rated as high credibility. Would you accept something from The Guardian? How about the New York Post? It isn’t attacking a person (ad hominem literally means “to the person”) to expect sources be highly credible. Forbes is not a person, it is a publication.

 

[IdahoBeav]

They aren’t rated as high credibility. Would you accept something from The Guardian? How about the New York Post? It isn’t attacking a person (ad hominem literally means “to the person”) to expect sources be highly credible. Forbes is not a person, it is a publication.

It is very possible that I would accept something from the Guardian or NYP. Both of them have done many factual stories. I would investigate further, but they are certainly not automatically ignored due to reputation.

Sometimes it takes a biased source to break a story, like Breitbart and the Anthony Weiner scandal.

Ethos fallacy or genetic fallacy may be more fitting, but it most certainly is a fallacy of logic to reject an argument because it is being supported by a Forbes publication.

 

[Wyobohunter]

It is very possible that I would accept something from the Guardian or NYP. Both of them have done many factual stories. I would investigate farther, but they are certainly not automatically ignored due to reputation.

Sometimes it takes a biased source to break a story, like Breitbart and the Anthony Weiner scandal.

Ethos fallacy or genetic fallacy may be more fitting, but it most certainly is a fallacy of logic to reject an argument because it is being supported by a Forbes publication.

Breitbart… seriously? How about the National Enquirer?

Let’s set a benchmark, and post sources that have high credibility ratings. That’s pretty common among the media literate, and will save both of us having to fact check every claim made by a source.

On topic:

Canada's Trudeau set to resign any day as Finance Minister resigns

Maybe, if Canada goes far enough to the right. . . They definitely need to move to the right.

rokslide.com

 

[IdahoBeav]

Breitbart… seriously? How about the National Enquirer?

Let’s set a benchmark, and post sources that have high credibility ratings. That’s pretty common among the media literate, and will save both of us having to fact check every claim made by a source.

They released the story when others wouldn't.

Nonetheless, Forbes is considered credible by most, including the metric that you posted.

 

[Wyobohunter]

They released the story when others wouldn't.

Nonetheless, Forbes is considered credible by most, including the metric that you posted.

“Mostly Factual” means you need to fact check their articles. Breitbart is even worse, and a hive of fascist white nationalism.

Canadian healthcare isn’t without flaws, they rank 32; the US ranks 69 (of 167). We’re just above Algeria.

Health and health system ranking of countries worldwide in 2023 | Statista

The dataset shows the ranking of world's best health and healthcare systems according to the Legatum Institute Foundation's most recent rating.

www.statista.com

Canada's Trudeau set to resign any day as Finance Minister resigns

Maybe, if Canada goes far enough to the right. . . They definitely need to move to the right.

rokslide.com

 

[IdahoBeav]

“Mostly Factual” means you need to fact check their articles. Breitbart is even worse, and a hive of fascist white nationalism.

Canadian healthcare isn’t without flaws, they rank 32; the US ranks 69 (of 167). We’re just above Algeria.

Health and health system ranking of countries worldwide in 2023 | Statista

The dataset shows the ranking of world's best health and healthcare systems according to the Legatum Institute Foundation's most recent rating.

www.statista.com

Canada's Trudeau set to resign any day as Finance Minister resigns

Maybe, if Canada goes far enough to the right. . . They definitely need to move to the right.

rokslide.com

Using the term "fascist white nationalism" is an extreme indicator of bias. It's difficult to take someone seriously when they use this term. Nonetheless, it doesn't automatically dismiss your argument.

A random online list that requires a paid subscription to further research its analysis is not going to convince me that the hospitals in Saudi Arabia and Iran are better than those in the US. Much of the "US healthcare sucks" narrative is driven by agenda and by veiling the obesity epidemic as a failure of privately funded healthcare.

Healthcare isn't a human right, but the US is the most medically advanced and innovative nation on earth, and you can receive immediate care in emergency and urgent care centers across the country. "Free access" to lesser healthcare does not outweigh quality of care.

 

[2531usmc]

These reference documents are as credible as the riflescope drop test.

 

[Wyobohunter]

Using the term "fascist white nationalism" is an extreme indicator of bias. It's difficult to take someone seriously when they use this term. Nonetheless, it doesn't automatically dismiss your argument.

I am 100% bias against bigotry, I won’t pretend otherwise.

Breitbart exposé confirms: far-right news site a platform for the white nationalist "alt-right"

Joe Bernstein’s Buzzfeed scoop revealing the inner workings of Breitbart News—including a video showing white nationalist Richard Spencer giving a Nazi salute during Milo Yiannopolous' karaoke rendition of "America The Beautiful"—solidifies the far-right outlet’s reputation as a platform for the...

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A random online list that requires a paid subscription to further research its analysis is not going to convince me that the hospitals in Saudi Arabia and Iran are better than those in the US. Much of the "US healthcare sucks" narrative is driven by agenda and by veiling the obesity epidemic as a failure of privately funded healthcare.

Statista - Bias and Credibility

LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion

mediabiasfactcheck.com

Healthcare isn't a human right…

On this, we very strongly disagree. As it is a matter of opinion, there isn’t much use arguing about it.

… but the US is the most medically advanced and innovative nation on earth…

On this, we mostly agree, we are also one of the richest, and could afford healthcare for all if we were to tax the rich as we should.

Have you ever looked into compensation vs. productivity?

 

[Wyobohunter]

These reference documents are as credible as the riflescope drop test.

Which ones, and how so?