Can anyone post pics of them sitting inside SO Cimarron and/or LBO with vestibule?

[FLH]

Looking to see which has steeper walls. Steeper walls = more sitting space farther away from stove without your head smooshing into side walls. My 6 man Kifaru requires careful staking to keep sidewalls as steep as possible. If tipi stretched too tight when staked, sidewalls meet ground with radius, instead of plain old angle direct to ground.

Thanks everyone.

 

[RockChucker30]

Pole height and footprint play a big role here. The Cim has a 72" pole and the LBO a 64", with the Cim having 94 sqft floor area and the LBO + Vest about 74 sqft.

The Cimarron calculates to 23 sqft of area above 36" (sitting height) while the LBO and Vest will run more like 14-15 sqft sitting area.

 

[FLH]

Hey RC30;

Thanks for your reply.

I agree that taller pole = steeper side walls. Cimarron's sitting area is about 5'x5'. LBOV about 4'x4'. Seems using my REI Flex Chair in either is out of the question. Would you agree?

I'm in my 60's now and I like to sit on some type of chair, not cross legged on the ground.

 

[92xj]

Using the cim solo, you should easily be able to sit in your chair. I have no experience in the lbo

 

[RockChucker30]

Hey RC30;

Thanks for your reply.

I agree that taller pole = steeper side walls. Cimarron's sitting area is about 5'x5'. LBOV about 4'x4'. Seems using my REI Flex Chair in either is out of the question. Would you agree?

I'm in my 60's now and I like to sit on some type of chair, not cross legged on the ground.

I can sit in a Helinox Ground Chair easy in a Cimarron. Now if you add stove plus a couple sleeping pads plus gear that starts getting too busy, but if you're solo with a stove it'd definitely be doable.

The flexlite looks a little taller, not sure it'd work as well.

 

[justinspicher]

I have sat in my chair, with two coats and the stove in the cimmaron with no issues. We angle the cots and it allows for more room.

 

[GregB]

Solo with a stove I have plenty of room to sit. I have my bed on one side and firewood and chair on the other. The chair is a Tommy Bahama which is shorter than a normal camp chair.

 

[FLH]

Thanks everyone. Great answers. I should've this will be winter shelter only, solo with a stove. And my darned chair. So it seems the Cim is probably better for that combo (me, stove, chair) than LBO/Vest. What say ye, LBO/Vest/chair owners?

Thank you for the pic, Justin. REI Flex Lite chair is copy of Helinox.

Good thinking, Greg. I can always get a lower chair. I set mine next to the stove in the Kif 6 man. Can feed the stove and don't move from the chair till I turn in. So lower chair is no problem.

Great stuff. Thanks all.

 

[Lawnboi]

Seated in a chair zero, in a cimmaron with a nest. I’m 5’6 and wouldn’t want to be any taller.

Personally I want a bigger shelter for a cold weather shelter.

 

[FLH]

Thanks Lawnboi. How close is the tent wall to the back of your head in that picture?

 

[justinspicher]

I personally don’t like the cimmaron as a shelter. I have a Luna 6 from Bear Paw Wilderness Designs that I like and use. The shape of the cimmarron isn’t as square and I feel that I lose some space. The double doors are nice but not a need for me.
The Luna 6 has a square footprint that super easy to set up and I like the big front door. I can open it up and glass from inside the shelter. 10x10 footprint is nice, the sod skirt is also pretty handy.

 

[Lawnboi]

Thanks Lawnboi. How close is the tent wall to the back of your head in that picture?

My head is resting right next to the door, nest is behind me in that photo, wife was on a chair zero on the other side of the stove. Not ideal for winter camping but we made it work. Next time it’s single digits every morning and night of a hunt I’ll have an 8man tipi, and a big ass stove.

 

[FLH]

I personally don’t like the cimmaron as a shelter. I have a Luna 6 from Bear Paw Wilderness Designs that I like and use. The shape of the cimmarron isn’t as square and I feel that I lose some space. The double doors are nice but not a need for me.
The Luna 6 has a square footprint that super easy to set up and I like the big front door. I can open it up and glass from inside the shelter. 10x10 footprint is nice, the sod skirt is also pretty handy.

Hey Justin;

I checked out the BPW site and liked their Luna 4 and one other shelter for solo trips. But an internet search for "reviews" scared me away.

 

[slick]

I have a Luna 6, and buddies run Cimarron’s.

I’m opposite of Justin and prefer my friends shelters over mine. I also have the TiGoat 20” stove.

I found it was clumsy to fit 3 and stove in the Luna 6, where the Cimarron’s Hex shape seemed to work better with 3 and stove in a pinch. Plus 2 and stove, the Cim is quite a bit lighter. I think it pitches better, especially on uneven ground.

I bought my Luna 6 used off of here, and I’m not sure if it was requested by the previous owner or not, but the stove jack is on the same panel as the door and the zipper only goes 3/4 of the way up. Which is frankly put- stupid.

 

[colonel00]

It also depends on how you pitch it. I prefer to pitch the Cimarron off the ground a bit to get air flow. This will give you a lot more room but doesn't work as well in colder weather when there are cold drafts coming in. I actually had some extra guy points stitched into my Cimarron to pull out the middle of the corners to "steepen" the walls a bit. Otherwise, they can sag in the rain, or in an infamous case, in the snow where it collected in the night and I was awoken on the North Slope of Alaska when my pole snapped.

Here's a short, crappy video where you can see how the walls are pulled out with the extra guy points the next morning. Notice how I have trekking poles and a limb (which was a miracle to find at 3am in a place that has no trees) after I didn't properly set it up as I knew I should the night before.

 

[justinspicher]

I’ve never tried my Luna 6 with more than two folks. I’ve used it the most out of all of my shelters so I am the most familiar with it. The cimmarron isn’t a bad shelter, I just prefer the Luna.

 

[adieatrick]

It also depends on how you pitch it. I prefer to pitch the Cimarron off the ground a bit to get air flow. This will give you a lot more room but doesn't work as well in colder weather when there are cold drafts coming in. I actually had some extra guy points stitched into my Cimarron to pull out the middle of the corners to "steepen" the walls a bit. Otherwise, they can sag in the rain, or in an infamous case, in the snow where it collected in the night and I was awoken on the North Slope of Alaska when my pole snapped.

Here's a short, crappy video where you can see how the walls are pulled out with the extra guy points the next morning. Notice how I have trekking poles and a limb (which was a miracle to find at 3am in a place that has no trees) after I didn't properly set it up as I knew I should the night before.

Where did you have the extra guy outs sewed in if you don't mind me asking?

 

[colonel00]

William Hanson (Live2Hunt) did it a while ago. I've kinda been out of the loop so I'm not sure if he's still doing tent mods and stuff.

Honestly, it would be pretty simple to do yourself if you have a sewing machine. You'd just want to reinforce the area with extra material and then sew on a loop on the outside.

 

[FLH]

Hi Slick;

Thanks for the pics. Yeah, stove jack location pretty awkward.
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Colonol00;

That first vid shows lots of room on the woodpile side. Palace for solo use. I can see guy outs made big difference in making walls steeper, giving more sittable space. Will have same done if I order a Cim.

What'd you get in AK? When was that? Hope to visit/backpack there one day. Too expensive to hunt for me.

 

[MontanaMarine]

Not exactly what was asked, but here's a couple pics of myself sitting in the SO Silvertip, using a Helinox Ground Chair. Pole is set at 60", and I'm 6'3"

The low height of the Ground Chair helps gain some headroom in the smaller shelters.