California is a joke

[5MilesBack]

Why would I use a rock when I have a knife or a gun???

So what you're saying is......you didn't read my first post to Don Perros. That's who I was replying to if you missed that.

 

[5MilesBack]

Tap out noted.

Ahhhhhh.....now we're getting somewhere. You finally thought the logic through didn't you? Success. That's all I was trying to do for you.

 

[5MilesBack]

While a deers life and a humans is much different I don't think I was acting solely on emotion.

Sure you were. You even stated that here......."I explained that I had no problem taking care of it to end his suffering". That's an emotional plea. Logic says the animal dies either way. But if you're willing to accept the risk of getting charged with poaching, then sure......go for it. But if you remove emotions from it........it doesn't matter that nature takes it's course longer than you care for.

I don't care that someone dispatches the animal.....that's fine. But when you bring suffering into the equation......that's an emotional plea, and immediately goes against any and all hunting situations as well. That's the liberals entire basis for ending hunting........the poor animals are suffering. I don't and won't fall into that trap. Of course compassion is definitely NOT one of my gifts I've been given either. Logic on the other hand is paramount.

 

[tipsntails7]

Sure you were. You even stated that here......."I explained that I had no problem taking care of it to end his suffering". That's an emotional plea. Logic says the animal dies either way. But if you're willing to accept the risk of getting charged with poaching, then sure......go for it. But if you remove emotions from it........it doesn't matter that nature takes it's course longer than you care for.

I don't care that someone dispatches the animal.....that's fine. But when you bring suffering into the equation......that's an emotional plea, and immediately goes against any and all hunting situations as well. That's the liberals entire basis for ending hunting........the poor animals are suffering. I don't and won't fall into that trap. Of course compassion is definitely NOT one of my gifts I've been given either. Logic on the other hand is paramount.

Youve got the biggest ****ing tinfoil hat I've ever seen...


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[tipsntails7]

So what you're saying is......you didn't read my first post to Don Perros. That's who I was replying to if you missed that.

I read it... my statement was I NEVER don't have a gun or a knife.. so your scenario does not pertain to me..

Do you always carry a hammer for hammering nails no matter where you are? Do you use rocks at all times for all tasks? because you can't be bothered to use the appropriate tool? You try so hard to apparently remove "emotions" that your thoughts and statements are illogical...

You go ahead and attempt to kill whatever you want with a rock, I'll use a tool appropriate for the job, just like everything else.


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[Beastmode]

Sure you were. You even stated that here......."I explained that I had no problem taking care of it to end his suffering". That's an emotional plea. Logic says the animal dies either way. But if you're willing to accept the risk of getting charged with poaching, then sure......go for it. But if you remove emotions from it........it doesn't matter that nature takes it's course longer than you care for.

I don't care that someone dispatches the animal.....that's fine. But when you bring suffering into the equation......that's an emotional plea, and immediately goes against any and all hunting situations as well. That's the liberals entire basis for ending hunting........the poor animals are suffering. I don't and won't fall into that trap. Of course compassion is definitely NOT one of my gifts I've been given either. Logic on the other hand is paramount.

And I didn't kill the animal did I? It wasn't worth me loosing all my hunting privileges. Common sense says dispatch the animal. All laws are not common sense. They try and paint everything with a black and white brush but it doesn't always work that way.

If I were to cripple an animal hunting because of poor shot placement I would feel bad. I think 99% of us would as well. There are some that wouldn't care or give the animal enough respect to continue looking for it the next day because that would be an "emotional" desicion. They would just go on and try and kill another one because their logic would say I am wasting time here I could be putting a stalk on something else.

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[5MilesBack]

I read it... my statement was I NEVER don't have a gun or a knife.. so your scenario does not pertain to me..

Then why did you bother replying if it didn't apply to you? (confused) You were even working off a false premise in your reply, which immediately invalidates anything remotely close to logic with the rest of your assertions. The rest of your tirade is almost incoherent......again because you're working off of false premises. Go back to the beginning and then work through it again. Hint: The rock isn't important to get the logic correct.

And what the heck does a tinfoil hat have ANYTHING to do with this discussion? (more confused)

 

[5MilesBack]

If I were to cripple an animal hunting because of poor shot placement I would feel bad. I think 99% of us would as well. There are some that wouldn't care or give the animal enough respect to continue looking for it the next day because that would be an "emotional" desicion. They would just go on and try and kill another one because their logic would say I am wasting time here I could be putting a stalk on something else.

My logic would not be "I have to find this animal because it's suffering", my logic would be "I need to stay on this animal because if I don't the meat is going to rot". If someone else wants to risk "wanton waste" and goes to shoot something else, that's their choice........but not a very good one IMO. Everyone has to make their own decisions and accept the consequences of those decisions.

Here we are going round and round, yet the one guy I was trying to clarify with isn't even in the conversation anymore. Pretty sure he figured out where I was going with it, and figured out the logic on his own.

 

[Beastmode]

My logic would not be "I have to find this animal because it's suffering", my logic would be "I need to stay on this animal because if I don't the meat is going to rot". If someone else wants to risk "wanton waste" and goes to shoot something else, that's their choice........but not a very good one IMO. Everyone has to make their own decisions and accept the consequences of those decisions.

Here we are going round and round, yet the one guy I was trying to clarify with isn't even in the conversation anymore.

Wanton waste is an emotional law

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[5MilesBack]

Wanton waste is an emotional law

Wasting meat is illogical in my world. Kind of like opening up your last bottle of water and pouring it out. Is that emotional or illogical.

 

[duchntr]

Wow that escalated quickly lol. Btw same rule applies up here as i was told anyway, same situation just a black bear in my case except i was in the city where it was unlawful to discharge a firearm so that helped my decision making process. Ive got to think the trooper or warden would give you a pass but i suppose its situation dependent.

 

[Bar]

I don't understand why an emotional decision is bad?

 

[Whisky]

W.T.F.

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[realunlucky]

W.T.F.

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X2 where is this discussion going and why

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[Bar]

We're between seasons.

 

[duchntr]

X2 where is this discussion going and why

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California brings the worst out of everyone lol

 

[MallardSX2]

I would have shot it with my .22 in the head then drove away. Never called a soul. Then again, I never would live in California so problem solved.

 

[Beastmode]

Beast. It would be worth getting in touch with your local wardens that patrol your area and get their take. We have 3 wardens in my area and I've talked to all 3 about something similar and none of them would ever right a man a ticket for that. Wardens are blessed with being able to use their judgment and in this case all 3 agreed, with stipulations. The rules of firearm discharge must be observed, as this can involve local police and they are not quite as lenient, and the you have to let the deer lay, you cannot salvage any of the meat or horns.

Most wardens are guys like you and me and got into that profession because they care about wildlife and how they are treated.

I always have a few knives in the rig, and always a havalon in my med kit. Unfortunately it has several deer on it in scenarios like you mention.


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I just got off the phone with the warden and he basically said the intent if the law is to prevent people from deliberately going out trying to hit deer with there vehicle. He said none of the wardens in this area would have cited me for a thing. He actually was suprised dispatch told me that and was going to look in to it. I'm not sure if he was saying that but he seemed like he cared.

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[Bar]

That sounds more like it. I know my warden would have told me to take care of it and he'd be out later to pick it up. He might even let me have it.

 

[tipsntails7]

Then why did you bother replying if it didn't apply to you? (confused) You were even working off a false premise in your reply, which immediately invalidates anything remotely close to logic with the rest of your assertions. The rest of your tirade is almost incoherent......again because you're working off of false premises. Go back to the beginning and then work through it again. Hint: The rock isn't important to get the logic correct.

And what the heck does a tinfoil hat have ANYTHING to do with this discussion? (more confused)

DUDE.... what don't you get about this situation. If I came across a deer that was hit by a car I am going to dispatch it... end of story. I'm not going to let it sit there and starve to death, I'm not going to let it possible cause an accident by people staring at it on the side of the road, or attempt to move and run out in front of a car. Human beings are emotional, if you are ok with letting an animal... any animal starve to death your a DICK.. end of story. It doesn't make you cool, a tuff guy, or an internet bad ass. It makes you a BAD person. Your attitude and ridiculous statements are the fuel for the "liberal" Fire that your so afraid of...




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