Blue printed 700 vs B, C, D etc...

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Random experience building with customs and working on Remingtons. I’m not a professional, just a very devoted hobbyist...

For all practical purposes, there is little reason to mess with a Remington action. The gains made are barely measurable, arguably any progress that is made over factory is due to the addition of the custom barrel.

A typical action truing job is done a couple of different ways, but the end result is square face, lug abutments, and many dive into truing the threads. Typically by the time the smith gets done whittling away on both the bolt and the receiver, all primary case extraction is gone (if you decide to get one done and the smith says they don’t need to address primary extraction and timing....say thanks and move on). So we get everything perfectly square, move and clock the bolt handle to address primary extraction, but the bolt is now wobbling up and down .015 or more. So further down the rabbit hole we go, reaming the raceway, bushing the bolt and the firing pin hole, or take your chances with a new $$$ PTG bolt.

So yes, your friend is right. To properly true an Remington it will cost as much as a custom when you figure the value of the stock action. There are some nice customs out there for $1K or less. The Ragged Hole guy is selling what he calls a Hell Betty (I think it’s a Defiance?) for $995.

An accuracy guarantee is a dubious claim. What exactly does that mean? How can a smith be held to a .5 guarantee not knowing the shooter, scope, or the ammo? What kind of stock is it in and who did the stock work? Salesmanship at its best.

The Tikka is a nice action. The custom smiths like to set the action face back and put on a Remington recoil lug. I’m not sure that it’s necessary, Tikka doesn’t feel that it is, and they shoot really well right out of the gate.

Anyway, yeah...save for a bit longer and get a custom action if you want a custom rifle. Or, rebarrel your 700. Either way you’ll probably end up with a good shooter if you get a good barrel.
 
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Why are you set on 260 Terminator? How do you arrive at 260 Terminator Brass?
I was looking at getting a 6.5 PRC. But then when I was thinking about using my Rem action I figured I'd just go 260 since I've got brass.
Then Googling 260 Improved revealed Defensive Edge. The Avery said it's legit so I gotta have one.
Even if I get a custom action, not sure I'll go PRC. There's not much for brass available it seems. Factory is crazy spendy. And who doesn't reload anymore?



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Also, you can buy already formed brass for Shawn's "Terminator" cartridges from Defensive Edge so you don't have to mess with forming brass, unless you want to. They have the dies in stock for their cartridges as well.
 
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Also, you can buy already formed brass for Shawn's "Terminator" cartridges from Defensive Edge so you don't have to mess with forming brass, unless you want to. They have the dies in stock for their cartridges as well.
Yeah seems like a decent round. I mean there's nothing wrong with a Creed or a normal 260. But if you're already loading why not try and get a few more fps?

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260 Terminator seems cool and all, but you mentioned cost being a factor... Custom dies... Getting brass from one source or the hassle of making your own... zero ammo you can shoot off the shelf. This does not sound like a cartridge made for the budget shooter.

6.5 x 47 Lapua if you must have something unusual and cool and make no mistake, it‘s a great cartridge.
6.5PRC for best performance but you’ve got to have the right bolt face
6.5CM for the most budget friendly way to launch a 6.5MM
 

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scrounged for a couple years
240$ action off a 700 that would not fire-soaked the trigger in solvent for a week
200$ barrel off internet
375$ McMillian stock
200$ chambering
1015$ total - scope not included

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a 300 win with a new Lilja barrel i had a bench rest shooting smith put together last month.

but it is true that you can get almost this much with a full blue print done by top smiths tied up in the action alone. and when done all you have is a remington action. no one will recognize the work you had done on the action.

customs hold their value well.
 
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260 Terminator seems cool and all, but you mentioned cost being a factor... Custom dies... Getting brass from one source or the hassle of making your own... zero ammo you can shoot off the shelf. This does not sound like a cartridge made for the budget shooter.

6.5 x 47 Lapua if you must have something unusual and cool and make no mistake, it‘s a great cartridge.
6.5PRC for best performance but you’ve got to have the right bolt face
6.5CM for the most budget friendly way to launch a 6.5MM
You can fire form 260 brass. If it's really bad you could neck 243 up.
I think you can fire 260 through it as well.

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Mack Bros Evo are less than 600, add a Remage from Criterion. Crazy nice price.
Tikka and a Proof shouldered prefit.
New Rem 700 action and remage barrel from NSS.
Pull your Rem barrel and lap the lugs and use Remage barrel.
Buy a Savage Ultralight and put a new stock on it, Boyds for less than 200 on a budget.
Tikka and put a new stock on it and Yo,Dave trigger spring.
Howa and new stock. They have the best factory trigger hands down.
Origin and prefit. You can use a hunts long range recoil lug and TL3 shouldered prefits. By the time you pay a smith to true a Rem 700, you are too close to the price of an Origin which is far better than s trued Rem 700.

All the Savage barrel nut barrels I have ever shot were half moa or better. Proof were the best. Don't discount doing that if you are handy.
 
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Mack Bros Evo are less than 600, add a Remage from Criterion. Crazy nice price.
Tikka and a Proof shouldered prefit.
New Rem 700 action and remage barrel from NSS.
Pull your Rem barrel and lap the lugs and use Remage barrel.
Buy a Savage Ultralight and put a new stock on it, Boyds for less than 200 on a budget.
Tikka and put a new stock on it and Yo,Dave trigger spring.
Howa and new stock. They have the best factory trigger hands down.
Origin and prefit. You can use a hunts long range recoil lug and TL3 shouldered prefits. By the time you pay a smith to true a Rem 700, you are too close to the price of an Origin which is far better than s trued Rem 700.

All the Savage barrel nut barrels I have ever shot were half moa or better. Proof were the best. Don't discount doing that if you are handy.
Yeah I think I'd be better off to just get a Bighorn Origin then a decent barrel for a few hundred bucks and slap it into the HS stock I have.

On barrels are you better off to get it fluted? Any huge difference?

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Fluting lets you get a larger profile barrel and save a little weight. I have always just gone carbon fiber so I am not the guy to ask. My attitude is that a carbon six barrel isn't much more than a fluted barrel.
 
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Fluting lets you get a larger profile barrel and save a little weight. I have always just gone carbon fiber so I am not the guy to ask. My attitude is that a carbon six barrel isn't much more than a fluted barrel.
Kinda what I'm wondering. My buddy who shoots a ton of completely anti carbon. But my other friend works for Proof and another friend has a Proof.
I was just thinking back to last season and how many miles I hiked a rifle. Buddy A says a rifle is not where you want to cut weight. But climbing up and down coulees and litterel cliff walls with a 15# rifle wouldn't be fun.
My 22-250 has gone on a few walks with me and it's just not fun after a few trips.

Well putting a deposit on a Big Horn Origin. Thanks guys.

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Call Chad Dixon at LRI, or check out his videos on FB. He takes pounds out of them and is doing a full build for me right now.
 

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While I own a couple, I despise the factory Rem 700. So many design flaws. IMO, people who love their 700’s are those that have never had much experience with anything else to see the inherent flaws. And I’m not even talking about concentricity. I’m talking functionality.

I despise the terrible location for the bolt release and the feeble excuse for an extractor. And of course everybody knows the shortfalls of the safety and trigger. It’s no wonder they went out of business. I’m shocked it took decades.
 

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I’m kinda at the same point as SD. I have an older 700 .308 that I’m trying to bring back to life. It has never been a great shooter. 1.5inch is about the best. I replaced the trigger with a triggertech and free floated the barrel. If I can’t get it to shoot with handloads I’m just going to put in the back corner of the safe. I looked at it about a dozen different ways and it just seems like your throwing good money at a bad action. If it didn’t have sentimental value I would just sell it.
 
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