Biden Administration urges Supreme court to let cops enter homes and seize guns without a warrant

[Don Qui Puncher]

The reality is, most will comply. On one hand they have their wife, kids, family, livelihood, etc; on the other are some guns. It will be an easy choice for most. How hard was is to gain compliance with a virus? Not at all.

That’s the scariest part of it all

 

[FLAK]

There are a LOT of sheep, for certain.

 

[colersu22]

Which is the exact reason King County (where Seattle is) in Washington state just switched their Sheriff's dept from elected to appointed. The inmates are running the asylum...

Voters approve 2 ballot measures that will reshape the King County Sheriff’s Office

After a summer of racial reckoning and calls for police reform, voters in King County have passed a pair of ballot measures that will reshape the King County Sheriff’s Office.

www.kiro7.com

Wa also has this gem

Chapter 7.94 RCW Dispositions: EXTREME RISK PROTECTION ORDER ACT

app.leg.wa.gov

 

[Bubblehide]

how do game wardens (state police in Texas) skirt around the 4th Amendment, they are a walking warrant, curiosity is probable cause, they confiscate guns, animals/fish

Fish And Game/Wildlife laws are Prima Facie laws, unlike most other laws. In the case of wildlife, there is no one reporting the crime, animals are unable to voice for themselves. As such, the game regulations take this into consideration and just the act of hunting, fishing, and going to or from legally allows Game Wardens, and only Game Wardens to search without obtaining warrant. Very similar to the IRS seizing property bank accounts... So the next time a Warden asks you if you mind if they look in your vehicle, home... keep in mind they do not need your permission.

Our game laws define what we CAN do, where most other laws define what we cannot do. If or game laws do not list something, then it IS illegal. Most other types of laws, again, list what we cannot do, and if it is not listed, then it is not illegal (just make sure you have considered all laws).

 

[Squincher]

Fish And Game/Wildlife laws are Prima Facie laws, unlike most other laws. In the case of wildlife, there is no one reporting the crime, animals are unable to voice for themselves. As such, the game regulations take this into consideration and just the act of hunting, fishing, and going to or from legally allows Game Wardens, and only Game Wardens to search without obtaining warrant. Very similar to the IRS seizing property bank accounts... So the next time a Warden asks you if you mind if they look in your vehicle, home... keep in mind they do not need your permission.

Our game laws define what we CAN do, where most other laws define what we cannot do. If or game laws do not list something, then it IS illegal. Most other types of laws, again, list what we cannot do, and if it is not listed, then it is not illegal (just make sure you have considered all laws).

It seems the USFWS is unaware the 4th amendment doesn't apply to them. Their rules are the same as every other LEO in the country.

https://www.fws.gov/policy/445fw1.html#:~:text=General Rule.,from search without a warrant.

 

[Travis Hobbs]

Fish And Game/Wildlife laws are Prima Facie laws, unlike most other laws. In the case of wildlife, there is no one reporting the crime, animals are unable to voice for themselves. As such, the game regulations take this into consideration and just the act of hunting, fishing, and going to or from legally allows Game Wardens, and only Game Wardens to search without obtaining warrant. Very similar to the IRS seizing property bank accounts... So the next time a Warden asks you if you mind if they look in your vehicle, home... keep in mind they do not need your permission.

Our game laws define what we CAN do, where most other laws define what we cannot do. If or game laws do not list something, then it IS illegal. Most other types of laws, again, list what we cannot do, and if it is not listed, then it is not illegal (just make sure you have considered all laws).

Sorry bro, but that is absolutely, false. No one can enter and search your home without a warrant unless you let them, or they have evidence.

They want you to think that, and most people grant them permission.

I have multiple CLOSE friends, that are wardens in 3 states. They go through absolute hell all the time to get a judge to sign off on warrants (as it should be)

There are some exceptions when it comes to a few things, eagles, Lacey act. But dude they can’t just knock on your door and search your home for fun

 

[Travis Hobbs]

It seems the USFWS is unaware the 4th amendment doesn't apply to them. Their rules are the same as every other LEO in the country.

https://www.fws.gov/policy/445fw1.html#:~:text=General Rule.,from search without a warrant.

Exactly! it’s crazy how often I hear, “wardens can search anything” or “they are “higher” or “more importanter” than a sheriff.

 

[Bubblehide]

Sorry bro, but that is absolutely, false. No one can enter and search your home without a warrant unless you let them, or they have evidence.

They want you to think that, and most people grant them permission.

I have multiple CLOSE friends, that are wardens in 3 states. They go through absolute hell all the time to get a judge to sign off on warrants (as it should be)

There are some exceptions when it comes to a few things, eagles, Lacey act. But dude they can’t just knock on your door and search your home for fun

Your correct, but if there is a report of poaching with minimal evidence, they certainly can and often do.

 

[Okhotnik]

VP Harris' niece just tweeted this. Since we are all gun owning terrorists now should be easy to get into our homes without SW's

 

[Squincher]

Your correct, but if there is a report of poaching with minimal evidence, they certainly can and often do.

If you're speaking from experience, what did they get you for?

 

[Bubblehide]

If you're speaking from experience, what did they get you for?

LOL, what a funny guy. No citations for me buddy. But I have contributed to it happening to others, perhaps one was you?

 

[TSAMP]

LOL, what a funny guy. No citations for me buddy. But I have contributed to it happening to others, perhaps one was you?

Snitches get stitches

 

[ianpadron]

At what point are we allowed to say "told ya so" to our fellow "sportsmen" who have been parroting "ThEy'Re NoT cOmINg FoR yOuR gUnS" for years?

I'm typically pretty willing to have a discussion and hear both sides on just about anything, but 2A rights are not one of them. You either understand the historical importance of an armed to the teeth general population, and the mountain of data supporting it, OR, you have been completely compromised by the epidemic of cognitive dissonance in this country.

Cop kills somebody, it's the cop's fault. Mass shooter kills somebody, it's the guns fault.

Maybe we should just pass some legislation to make murder illegal, that'll make the bad guys think twice...

Stay vigilant out there guys, this shit ALWAYS comes in waves.

 

[Bubblehide]

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Snitches get stitches

Does that mean you support poachers????

 

[540-Virginian]

See, this is why I never believed the narrative that the police won’t enforce these types of gun laws. They will find some police that will enforce anything.

New York City Cops - thats where a lot of police brutality stems from. Source: my cousin lives in Brooklyn and witnesses it all the time.

 

[TheGDog]

After the first house word will get our quick and all the guns will "disappear or be stolen" overnight. Or the real crazies will be setting there ready and waiting with a boobie trapped house and it will go wild west real quick.

<Opens up Notepad>
Boobie Trap House.
"Meh... I never liked that planter box and those side gates anyway."

 

[TSAMP]

Does that mean you support poachers????

Yes thats exactly what that means.

 

[TheGDog]

Hrmm... well... since they are trying to take away our rights, I have to imagine that indeed makes damn near everything we do nowadays deemed "unlawful"... so I have to imagine that technically by definition this would be syntactically correct.

So f**k it... if I'm to be labelled as a "terrorist" now for just wanting what was already mine to begin with... f**k it... Bring It On! (But I'll tell ya this... better call your damn Mama first and tell her you love her before you do.)

Terrorist :
noun
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

 

[540-Virginian]

So many things messed up with this case on the both sides of the arguments.

First, raise your hand if you would place a gun on a table and ask your wife to kill you. That is batshit crazy stupid. Irresponsible handling of a firearm. If his wife told the police the specifics of the story (he pulled out a gun), they had every right to confiscate his guns based on the threat to his wife’s life. However, i think arresting him for brandishing a firearm in a threatning manner, then a warrant to confiscate his guns should have been the path police took. I do not agree with the officers approach in this case. Based on the details of the case provided in the article, they seem like ahole morons abusing power.

Look, I fully agree no cop should be allowed to come in your home and take anything without a warrant. I want our 4th and 2nd admendment rights to stand, but in this scenario, a lot of blame goes to Edward for being an irresponsible gun owner IMO.

People like Edward, individuals who open carry, those who push back on reasonable background check laws, are what is adding fuel to the anti-gun brushfire.

Again, just my opinion. I want and believe the case at the supreme court should not open up the door to more unwarranted searches. And I loathe the anti-gun movements that use cases like this to try and ban or get guns confiscated once and for all.

But the response from the gun community may be better served to focus on Edward’s reckless endangerment of his wife and how he should have been arrested, versus “the government is coming to take our guns” rhetoric. Once we show sympthay for the victim in that situation, then maybe others will hear our calls to not overreact by implementing the wrong laws.

At least thats how I’ll approach the converstation with my anti-gun friends who are likely practicing their debate with me about this incident, and the Colorado shooting, right now as I type this.

 

[TheGDog]

VP Harris' niece just tweeted this. Since we are all gun owning terrorists now should be easy to get into our homes without SW's