Banning Hunting Tech in Idaho

[IdahoJoe29]

The areas I hunt have more game than ever. Can't speak for everywhere else.

I'd bet you a months pay that more animals are straight up poached in Idaho in one year than have been taken with thermals, drones or cell cams combined since they were invented.

I'm absolutely against any additional laws until we can actually enforce the ones we have in place.

There’s not one law in the world that has been enforced perfectly. People get away with murder every day so I guess we shouldn’t enforce or add any more laws


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[WeiserBucks]

There’s not one law in the world that has been enforced perfectly. People get away with murder every day so I guess we shouldn’t enforce or add any more laws

Do we need more laws against murder? Or should we ban things murderers use to kill people?

 

[CorbLand]

It’s really too bad the internet wasnt around when they introduced the idea of regulating hunting.

 

[voltage]

The areas I hunt have more game than ever. Can't speak for everywhere else.

I'd bet you a months pay that more animals are straight up poached in Idaho in one year than have been taken with thermals, drones or cell cams combined since they were invented.

I'm absolutely against any additional laws until we can actually enforce the ones we have in place.

You’d definitely win during the years that Muley Freak comes to town.

 

[omicron1792]

There’s not one law in the world that has been enforced perfectly. People get away with murder every day so I guess we shouldn’t enforce or add any more laws


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Worst strawman I have seen in a while on here.

 

[Wagondriver]

I knew guys in Colorado that hunted coyotes, fox and whatever else they could find, with thermals and night vision. I've seen the good ones, they turn night into day, nothing can hide unless its behind a solid barrier. It was never legal, they'd even post pictures of their "night rigs" on internet forums. To my knowledge they were never caught.
Last elk season, I believe a guy was using thermal or night vision, I heard the 4 shots before legal shooting light. Killed a really nice bull that I was after. Of course he took a side by side a few miles into an area with no motor vehicle access, or should I say legal access.

Thermals for locating game prior to daylight are a game changer. How many times have you sat in the dark waiting to hear a bugle so you knew exactly where the elk were?

For wolves, and coyotes, I'd like to see thermals legal. For deer, elk, and other big game I say no.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Its pretty obvious to me those opposed to more laws/restrictions have never actually looked through a high end thermal at a hillside 500-1000 yards out in the dark. They are unmatched against any other piece of technology in the last 100 years. Nothing is in the same realm. They need to be banned entirely for everything hunting related, minus wolves. In my younger more desperate years I would have been using thermals legally in ID and filled my tags in 1/10th the time it normally takes. Thankfully I never owed a pair as I would feel ashamed to the core for the rest of my life.

It doesnt matter to me one bit if laws are unenforceable or not. If thermals are banned there will be less thermals in the deer/elk woods than now, and thats a net positive if you care at all about fair chase.

 

[OrangeMan73]

Its pretty obvious to me those opposed to more laws/restrictions have never actually looked through a high end thermal at a hillside 500-1000 yards out in the dark. They are unmatched against any other piece of technology in the last 100 years. Nothing is in the same realm. They need to be banned entirely for everything hunting related, minus wolves. In my younger more desperate years I would have been using thermals legally in ID and filled my tags in 1/10th the time it normally takes. Thankfully I never owed a pair as I would feel ashamed to the core for the rest of my life.

It doesnt matter to me one bit if laws are unenforceable or not. If thermals are banned there will be less thermals in the deer/elk woods than now, and thats a net positive if you care at all about fair chase.

Vehemently disagree with the entire statement.

 

[IdahoJoe29]

Its pretty obvious to me those opposed to more laws/restrictions have never actually looked through a high end thermal at a hillside 500-1000 yards out in the dark. They are unmatched against any other piece of technology in the last 100 years. Nothing is in the same realm. They need to be banned entirely for everything hunting related, minus wolves. In my younger more desperate years I would have been using thermals legally in ID and filled my tags in 1/10th the time it normally takes. Thankfully I never owed a pair as I would feel ashamed to the core for the rest of my life.

It doesnt matter to me one bit if laws are unenforceable or not. If thermals are banned there will be less thermals in the deer/elk woods than now, and thats a net positive if you care at all about fair chase.

I want to make a video compilation of people the first time they look through a thermal


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[Bluefish]

After listening to a guy who spent a year watching deer with a thermal drone to figure out what they do, no way should that be allowed for hunting. He could find where they were beaded and then record where they went during the day. Btw he was not hunting with it, just watching the deer.

Also using thermal when night hunting for coyotes, I saw so many deer. They were everywhere and completely oblivious to us. If someone wanted to poach deer with thermal, it would be very easy.

Personally I would like to see deer drives go away, but that is far too engrained to go away. Many instances of intoxicated bubbas running around with rifles shooting at everything that moves. Wasn’t quite as bad when it was shotgun only, but that’s no longer the case.

 

[OrangeMan73]

I want to make a video compilation of people the first time they look through a thermal


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Another good video compilation would be people looking through an alpha glass spotting scope first time.

Or after connecting first time on a 600 yard target.

Lol, sorry, tone of my reply makes me sound facetious and I might be a little, just throwing out some counterpoint for sake of disagreement and discussion. Case is not closed.

 

[OrangeMan73]

After listening to a guy who spent a year watching deer with a thermal drone to figure out what they do, no way should that be allowed for hunting. He could find where they were beaded and then record where they went during the day. Btw he was not hunting with it, just watching the deer.

Also using thermal when night hunting for coyotes, I saw so many deer. They were everywhere and completely oblivious to us. If someone wanted to poach deer with thermal, it would be very easy.

Personally I would like to see deer drives go away, but that is far too engrained to go away. Many instances of intoxicated bubbas running around with rifles shooting at everything that moves. Wasn’t quite as bad when it was shotgun only, but that’s no longer the case.

1. Thermal Drones. Is there any proof or evidence of that even being used in Idaho? And it leading to successful harvest? Idaho already has rules about illegalities of spotting game with aircraft and then harvest. Feels like another strawman. On top of that, your "guy" wasn't hunting, so these proposed bans on technology wouldn't even apply to him!

2. Thermal for Poachers. If someone wanted to poach deer with thermal, it would be very easy. Yup and pretty sure adding more regs aren't going to stop the poachers. Feels like another strawman. Already regs about harvesting big game at night.

3. Deer drives? How does that even apply to Idaho banning technology? Now I feel like we're crossing from strawman to red herring.

 

[IdahoJoe29]

1. Thermal Drones. Is there any proof or evidence of that even being used in Idaho? And it leading to successful harvest? Idaho already has rules about illegalities of spotting game with aircraft and then harvest. Feels like another strawman. On top of that, your "guy" wasn't hunting, so these proposed bans on technology wouldn't even apply to him!

2. Thermal for Poachers. If someone wanted to poach deer with thermal, it would be very easy. Yup and pretty sure adding more regs aren't going to stop the poachers. Feels like another strawman. Already regs about harvesting big game at night.

3. Deer drives? How does that even apply to Idaho banning technology? Now I feel like we're crossing from strawman to red herring.

lol my head is spinning from all these debate terms I’ve never heard of strawman or red herring but I also don’t usually get involved with internet debates sounds like I’m listening to Dave smith on jre


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[Wagondriver]

IdahoJoe is correct. A high quality thermal is like turning night into day. But, it is even better, an animal standing behind brush can be nearly invisible in the daylight, but with a thermal it can readily be seen.

Hunting big game with a thermal is not hunting, its shooting, especially with a rifle.

 

[OrangeMan73]

Haha me neither actually. I just feel like there's enough misinformation and misunderstanding around this one that I'm compelled to speak up. The nature in which this came jammed down our throats in the form of this is what's good for you, take your medicine reminds me of other recent events. Where afterwards it turned out the few that spoke up and were ostracized were probably right all along.

 

[Pacific_Fork]

Vehemently disagree with the entire statement.

You’re allowed to disagree and it’s all good.

Luckily for the sake of the NA model and ethics they will be banned, which is in alignment with every other western state.

Another good video compilation would be people looking through an alpha glass spotting scope first time.

Or after connecting first time on a 600 yard target.

Lol, sorry, tone of my reply makes me sound facetious and I might be a little, just throwing out some counterpoint for sake of disagreement and discussion. Case is not closed.

You haven’t looked through a thermal before. Or you own them and want to keep them legal. Comparing glass to a thermal is like comparing a hang glider to a jet. You miss many animals hiding in thick cover or blending in at long distance. You miss exactly zero animals in same scenario with a thermal.

 

[IdahoJoe29]

You’re allowed to disagree and it’s all good.

Luckily for the sake of the NA model and ethics they will be banned, which is in alignment with every other western state.



You haven’t looked through a thermal before. Or you own them and want to keep them legal. Comparing glass to a thermal is like comparing a hang glider to a jet. You miss many animals hiding in thick cover or blending in at long distance. You miss exactly zero animals in same scenario with a thermal.

Yeah man that’s where I am at. The whole argument of they aren’t as good as you think is bs. Anyone who has looked through one knows the truth and it makes me think that guys just don’t wanna get rid of them cause it’s a crutch now or they spent apparently 10k on one and don’t want to throw that money away


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[OrangeMan73]

IdahoJoe is correct. A high quality thermal is like turning night into day. But, it is even better, an animal standing behind brush can be nearly invisible in the daylight, but with a thermal it can readily be seen.

Hunting big game with a thermal is not hunting, its shooting, especially with a rifle.

If a thermal can see through or behind a bush, then the bush is not thick enough to hide the animal from visible eye either. This fits within physics.

And in nearly all hours of legal shooting light, a 1000+ stumps and rocks on the hillside all look like warm bodies. Its NOT a cheat code. This is only revealed once you've actually used one, which again, is 99% of the problem here. Inexperience with the subject.

Besides that, whether you see the animal with a thermal or your eye, you have to make the decision to further pursue the animal, likely stalk up on the animal and/or close the distance, wait for the shot to present itself, and then launch the projectile at it. If simply locating the animal changes the sport from hunting to shooting, then outlaw technology that allows glassing as well, as I've articulated there are multiple steps immediately following in the process. Not even talking about all the steps preceeding (getting yourself in a position and setup to locate) and proceeding the kill (retrieving, packing out, etc.)

Turns out hunting is not a universal definition one person can articulate as their own.

 

[One300wsm]

Need to ban nothing or everything.

You don't need a GPS or a range finder or onXmaps on your phone in order to hunt any more than you need a cell cam. You steal the joy from someone with a cellular trail camera, take the joy from the rest of the guys using tech too.

The only logical thing is to take away ALL electronic devices, so no batteries during the "blackout period".

I need OnX or some other means of tracking, I’m old and sometimes get caught up in the moment and forget, just how far I’ve come and where I came from or just maybe if I happened to kill something an easier way out. No BS!!!
God Bless America
And our Veterans

 

[IdahoJoe29]

If a thermal can see through or behind a bush, then the bush is not thick enough to hide the animal from visible eye either. This fits within physics.

And in nearly all hours of legal shooting light, a 1000+ stumps and rocks on the hillside all look like warm bodies. Its NOT a cheat code. This is only revealed once you've actually used one, which again, is 99% of the problem here. Inexperience with the subject.

Besides that, whether you see the animal with a thermal or your eye, you have to make the decision to further pursue the animal, likely stalk up on the animal and/or close the distance, wait for the shot to present itself, and then launch the projectile at it. If simply locating the animal changes the sport from hunting to shooting, then outlaw technology that allows glassing as well, as I've articulated there are multiple steps immediately following in the process. Not even talking about all the steps preceeding (getting yourself in a position and setup to locate) and proceeding the kill (retrieving, packing out, etc.)

Turns out hunting is not a universal definition one person can articulate as their own.

That’s the whole defense of ungulates is being able to blend in with their environment. If their hide is the same color and the brush it is hiding within, then no matter the thickness of the brush you aren’t gonna see it with $4000 swaros but you can sure as hell see it with a thermal.

Yes some situations like a hot day it has its limitations that is without doubt just like every other piece of equipment. But you can’t tell me that seeing every little animal on a clear cut at 8 in the morning when the sun hasn’t come over the hill yet isn’t an advantage that you have over not even being able to see that deer hiding in the alder brush with your swaros. I just don’t buy that at all.
Where I live you can drive up the river road and spot every muscat, house cat, dog, squirrel, deer, elk or anything other living thing laying in the alder brush next to the river that would otherwise blend in. That is an advantage no doubt
If we can’t agree on that then there is no point in having this conversation


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