Banning Hunting Tech in Idaho

IdahoJoe29 said:
There are already laws in place that limit our use of those first 4 items. The latter 3 no
I think the working group at people like me are asking for idfg to start limiting the use of the latter 3


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If they are at the top of the list Perhaps they might need to be further regulated before we outlaw the things at the bottom of the list.
We want to solve our problems by blaming other users.
 
It wasn't that long ago that exposed turret scopes were few and far between. Now, every major manufacturer makes one that is in the budget of almost every hunter. Most of them are repeatable at least once. This isn't meant to be an argument against long range shooting, just an example of how fast that technology has advanced. The thermal technology is going to get better and more affordable. When there are more guys in the field carrying them (and there will be) then not are we going to wish that we did something sooner?
As for cell cams, that technology is only going to advance as well. We aren't that far from being able to send or receive pictures over satellite to our cell phones. Cell cams will be able to do the same, without a cell signal.
 
IdahoJoe29 said:
As far as what? Long range hunting? Cell cams?

As far as cell cams go I don’t really see that big of an advantage that you gain from using a cell cam. I personally don’t know any guys that have killed an animal because of cell camera use. The podcast perspective was kind of weird because it almost seemed like their argument was that the animal doesn’t have the privacy anymore that they used to? Or that somehow it’s an advantage to know what caliber or animals are on the landscape. To me I don’t really care if I have to hike in and check my sd card and change batteries but I enjoy doing that stuff. Some people don’t enjoy it.
I do agree with a lot of guys that long range hunting has made a huge advantage on success rates and I’m sure in the future it will be addressed as they alluded to on the podcast. But if we don’t start with something like thermals or drones we aren’t going to get to the point and addressing long range hunting. I enjoy long range hunting myself but I also am able to step back and realize that if it’s going to negatively effect my kids and grandkids availability to opportunity to hunt in the future than I will gladly go back to shorter range hunting but that’s just me


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Again, I’m not sure where the data says anything close to what is being claimed. There is no data that says long range hunting has made a huge advantage on success rates. Do we see it social media platforms/videos more than before…absolutely! (We’re definitely more exposed to it, but we can’t base this stuff off of feelings). But the numbers don’t show us that trend, just like harvest rates haven’t increased due to thermals and cell cameras being around in the last 5yrs or more. Harvest numbers haven’t really changed in the last 20yr or so and technically Idaho has seen an increase in more hunters so if my math is mathing our success rates are technically down.
 
fattyboy70 said:
Again, I’m not sure where the data says anything close to what is being claimed. There is no data that says long range hunting has made a huge advantage on success rates. Do we see it social media platforms/videos more than before…absolutely! (We’re definitely more exposed to it, but we can’t base this stuff off of feelings). But the numbers don’t show us that trend, just like harvest rates haven’t increased due to thermals and cell cameras being around in the last 5yrs or more. Harvest numbers haven’t really changed in the last 20yr or so and technically Idaho has seen an increase in more hunters so if my math is mathing our success rates are technically down.
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How many guys do you know that actually fill out the Hunter surveys or if they do do are they actually honest? Cause I don’t know anyone that does them or is honest on them.


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IdahoJoe29 said:
How many guys do you know that actually fill out the Hunter surveys or if they do do are they actually honest? Cause I don’t know anyone that does them or is honest on them.


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Again, using opinions and feelings. If people aren’t filling out correctly and actually being honest they have been consistent at that for the last 20yrs. Of course there’s some outliers but it’s not skewing data that much.
 
fattyboy70 said:
Again, using opinions and feelings. If people aren’t filling out correctly and actually being honest they have been consistent at that for the last 20yrs. Of course there’s some outliers but it’s not skewing data that much.
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So what’s your reason for not wanting any regulation on the new technology?


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fattyboy70 said:
Again, I’m not sure where the data says anything close to what is being claimed. There is no data that says long range hunting has made a huge advantage on success rates. Do we see it social media platforms/videos more than before…absolutely! (We’re definitely more exposed to it, but we can’t base this stuff off of feelings). But the numbers don’t show us that trend, just like harvest rates haven’t increased due to thermals and cell cameras being around in the last 5yrs or more. Harvest numbers haven’t really changed in the last 20yr or so and technically Idaho has seen an increase in more hunters so if my math is mathing our success rates are technically down.
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How are we correlating success rates with populations vs technology?
 
IdahoJoe29 said:
So what’s your reason for not wanting any regulation on the new technology?


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The aggravating part of all of this and the HAT/Mule deer group is all the opinions and ideas behind regulating technology for the benefit of our ungulates. Taking away thermals/cell cameras does nothing for them. Taking away the idea of “long range” hunting does nothing. A guy with a thermal still kills one deer with or without the thermal. Guy with cell camera still kills a deer, not 50. So what are we talking about? Do we hate that with cameras and thermals a guy can be more strategic with what they’re wanting to kill by looking over more animals and that bothers us…then say that. Don’t say these tools are killing more animals by us having them because that’s not true. You know what effects deer..habitat, winter, predators. Take your pick. No one wants to have the hard convo that reduced tags statewide would have a bigger beneficial impact on deer. That impacts way too many pocket books. This is a great example of what kicking the can down the road looks like
 
fattyboy70 said:
The aggravating part of all of this and the HAT/Mule deer group is all the opinions and ideas behind regulating technology for the benefit of our ungulates. Taking away thermals/cell cameras does nothing for them. Taking away the idea of “long range” hunting does nothing. A guy with a thermal still kills one deer with or without the thermal. Guy with cell camera still kills a deer, not 50. So what are we talking about? Do we hate that with cameras and thermals a guy can be more strategic with what they’re wanting to kill by looking over more animals and that bothers us…then say that. Don’t say these tools are killing more animals by us having them because that’s not true. You know what affects deer..habitat, winter, predators. Take your pick. No one wants to have the hard convo that reduced tags statewide would have a bigger beneficial impact on deer. That impacts way too many pocket books. This is a great example of what kicking the can down the road looks like
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Amen. That is what this is all about.

The main person talking about his experience in this thread “has some buddies that use them.”

The guys like me and others that have used for 1000s of hours for night hunting. Meh.
 
omicron1792 said:
Amen. That is what this is all about.

The main person talking about his experience in this thread “has some buddies that use them.”

The guys like me and others that have used for 1000s of hours for night hunting. Meh.
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Naturally if my buddies have them I use them also. My experience is in daylight it makes a huge difference and you’re full of shit if you say it doesn’t. I honestly think a lot of the guys that don’t want to see any regulation on them are worried that their personal success rate is gonna drop cause they can’t use this crutch to kill a deer every year.


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IdahoJoe29 said:
My apologies I hadn’t been shopping around for thermals


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Nothing to apologize for. Sorry for being trite on my end.

Me and my buddies do a lot of thermal hunting. It seems that MOST with the most outsized opinions have little experience with them. There is a lot of practice and skill that goes into being good with them. And especially shooting at any distance with them.
 
omicron1792 said:
Nothing to apologize for. Sorry for being trite on my end.

Me and my buddies do a lot of thermal hunting. It seems that MOST with the most outsized opinions have little experience with them. There is a lot of practice and skill that goes into being good with them. And especially shooting at any distance with them.
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I’m not even talking about shooting with them. Obviously that is illegal on game animals. I’m talking about using monoculars to find game. I’m all about thermal hunting for predators. I just happen to draw the line on big game animals. I agree it takes practice BUT my point is that when you are dialed in it is very effective at doing what it’s made to do.


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IdahoJoe29 said:
I’m not even talking about shooting with them. Obviously that is illegal on game animals. I’m talking about using monoculars to find game. I’m all about thermal hunting for predators. I just happen to draw the line on big game animals. I agree it takes practice BUT my point is that when you are dialed in it is very effective at doing what it’s made to do.


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It can be effective for sure.

I think it’s not nearly as effective as non thermal users think it is.

Also, if you have stabilizing 4k Binos, awesome scope, 6 creedmoor out to 800 yards, on x maps galore….then decide thermals are a bridge too far. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
 
omicron1792 said:
It can be effective for sure.

I think it’s not nearly as effective as non thermal users think it is.

Also, if you have stabilizing 4k Binos, awesome scope, 6 creedmoor out to 800 yards, on x maps galore….then decide thermals are a bridge too far. It just doesn’t make sense to me.
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I don’t really care about all the gear a person can carry. It’s when they can drive in and cover huge amounts of terrain and use all the whizbang technology that it really compounds the advantage. Especially when that removes one of the drawbacks of carrying more surveillance equipment.

Agencies really need to get on top of the vehicles, drones, air transport, etc.

I hate trail cameras too, particularly cellular ones, because - to me anyway - part of hunting is not knowing where the animals are in the woods without getting into the woods to find them. Whether it’s trail cameras or thermals, anything that enhances surveillance in otherwise hidden places really cuts into my definition of fair chase. I also think it has a corrosive effect on the competition between hunters as well.
 
Q_Sertorius said:
I don’t really care about all the gear a person can carry. It’s when they can drive in and cover huge amounts of terrain and use all the whizbang technology that it really compounds the advantage. Especially when that removes one of the drawbacks of carrying more surveillance equipment.

Agencies really need to get on top of the vehicles, drones, air transport, etc.

I hate trail cameras too, particularly cellular ones, because - to me anyway - part of hunting is not knowing where the animals are in the woods without getting into the woods to find them. Whether it’s trail cameras or thermals, anything that enhances surveillance in otherwise hidden places really cuts into my definition of fair chase. I also think it has a corrosive effect on the competition between hunters as well.
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Couldn’t you say your suppressors make game not naturally afraid and could make hunting easier?

See. The list just goes on and on.

Us hunters have to stop eating our own. Every time we try to white night an issue the antis run with it. Their goal is the removal of all guns and hunting. The incremental steps we give them help them in their cause.
 
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