I would be interested too, I am leaning towards at Vario 22 with deluxe batwings. I don't understand why people do not demand quiet pack material. Cordura nylon bag material is SO noisy if anything brushes it. That is why I am currently looking at Badlands. WIlderness Pack Specialites has a "cowboy suede" they swear is tough and quiet, but I have not found a pack/frame configuration frm them I can get excited about.