Article - Impact of introduced wolves on elk/deer (CPW)

[BigAntlerGetter]

The next ballot initiative will be to ban lion and bobcat hunting. Look for it next year. I don't see the Front Range soccer moms and golf dads voting for grizzlies. They are scary, not cuddly amd romantic

But it was the golf dads, soccer moms and pretty uneducated hunters that voted the wolves in…. And when I say uneducated hunters I mean the guys that thought “o well it’s a whole nother animal I can hunt in a few years”


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[Hnthrdr]

But it was the golf dads, soccer moms and pretty uneducated hunters that voted the wolves in…. And when I say uneducated hunters I mean the guys that thought “o well it’s a whole nother animal I can hunt in a few years”


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You are absolutely right, our best shot to stop the madness was that ballot initiative that passed because there was a lot and I mean a lot of bad info out there

 

[Overdrive]

The next ballot initiative will be to ban lion and bobcat hunting. Look for it next year. I don't see the Front Range soccer moms and golf dads voting for grizzlies. They are scary, not cuddly amd romantic

Yup I'll definitely agree with you on the lion and bobcat ban with comments my friend relayed to me after a recent CPW meeting.

I think they'll wait until the 2024 election as there will be a bigger voter turn out since it's also a Presidential election.

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

You are absolutely right, our best shot to stop the madness was that ballot initiative that passed because there was a lot and I mean a lot of bad info out there

Ya like them bringing those “domesticated wolf hybrids” into schools and letting kids pet them and hug them saying how nice and safe they were so the kids went home to their parents and told them about it. Or all the billboards on the eastern slope about how wolves saved beavers, or fixed rivers or whatever their Yellowstone story was.

It will be a matter of time before the wolves do attack someone in this state with such a high recreational activity drive. Maybe just maybe a lawsuit can be filed to tie this up in court for a few more years, and give CPW time to really show the wonderful activist sided wildlife commission that wolves are a very bad idea.


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[justin davis]

CPW isn't dumping 750 wolves all at once either, that's a study of what wolf advocates think Colorado can support as a whole.

The wolf group wants it to be 750 and no management of them. I’m sure they will get what they want. Because they do. And our Governor and his husband are anti hunting democrats.

You think that’s gonna work out well huh? No lethal management?

 

[justin davis]

Yup I'll definitely agree with you on the lion and bobcat ban with comments my friend relayed to me after a recent CPW meeting.

I think they'll wait until the 2024 election as there will be a bigger voter turn out since it's also a Presidential election.

Are you ok with that too? Banning of lions and bobcat?

I think the antis start at predators and before long there is no reason to have humans hunting deer and elk. Wonder if you will be worried then?

 

[Mykolaivka887]

You think that’s gonna work out well huh? No lethal management?

In the past, non-lethal predation control of wolves has worked very effectively. and it can or could work again, where applicable. However, that application has to be looked at on a case-by-case basis, in reference to predator/prey relations, ecology, environmental benefit (if any), topography, access, human social values, desired goals, financial costs, economic impact, etc.

 

[Overdrive]

The wolf group wants it to be 750 and no management of them. I’m sure they will get what they want. Because they do. And our Governor and his husband are anti hunting democrats.

You think that’s gonna work out well huh? No lethal management?

Never said it was going to work without lethal management, but much like the bears and what's coming for mountain lions it will be CPW handling that part of it. They won't just turn hunters loose.

Polis isn't going to be around forever he is term limited. The number the wolf groups put out is only saying Colorado has enough habitat for 750 wolves, they won't all be in one area. Besides like the article has mentioned Colorado isn't like other States of the west, we have a much much higher population of people and a lot of those people do recreational activities year round. Do we even know the impacts of how the wolves are going to handle a constant human presents from this recreation?

For the record I was never in favor of the reintroduction vote against it, we've had wolves for a long time that come and go doing what nature does. I can see the same for wolves they drop off here, they'll wonder looking for territory and could very likely end up in Utah or Wyoming. But I'm certainly not going to panic over wolves since I've hunted around them for 2 decades now and still see game and harvest Elk and Deer.

 

[Hnthrdr]

From my understanding the only predation “management” will all be around protecting livestock it will be a free for all for them to eat the moose and elk out of house and home. If we were talking about a number say 500 and then active wolf management. I would have a different outlook, but when the number is intended to be unlimited we are in for a radically different wildlife set up in a couple decades

 

[Overdrive]

Are you ok with that too? Banning of lions and bobcat?

I think the antis start at predators and before long there is no reason to have humans hunting deer and elk. Wonder if you will be worried then?

You can keep trying to try and label me as being ok with things but your barking up the wrong tree. I don't have to look at everything thru the same lense as you.

Removing lion hunting wouldn't be good for the mule deer herds at all, but prepare yourself it's coming. My friend suggested to CPW at a recent meeting to allow hunters to be able to use an Elk license on a Bear or Mtn Lion if they chose too. The CPW officer said that Mtn Lion hunting is on its way out in the political climate of Colorado and they'll be the ones handling nuisance Mtn Lions.

 

[Indian Summer]

Unless you’ve personally watch it unfold it’s hard to imagine. It seems like a bunch of talk right now. But slowly but surely once they are there what will happen to the state with the highest number of elk over a 10 year period will be catastrophic. The wolf huggers have lots of experience with how to keep states from managing wolves. With the amount of uneducated animal lovers that fund their efforts it’s looking grim.

Speaking from experience… do not hesitate to do what’s ethical. When opportunity knocks, and it won’t be often…open the door! In Montana we thought we could coexist with wolves. Maybe we could have but we definitely cannot coexist with anti hunters! We believed that the management plan would go into affect when the time came. The precious years we lost thinking that way cost Montana and Idaho BIG TIME.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Unless you’ve personally watch it unfold it’s hard to imagine. It seems like a bunch of talk right now. But slowly but surely once they are there what will happen to the state with the highest number of elk over a 10 year period will be catastrophic. The wolf huggers have lots of experience with how to keep states from managing wolves. With the amount of uneducated animal lovers that fund their efforts it’s looking grim.

Speaking from experience… do not hesitate to do what’s ethical. When opportunity knocks, and it won’t be often…open the door! In Montana we thought we could coexist with wolves. Maybe we could have but we definitely cannot coexist with anti hunters! We believed that the management plan would go into affect when the time came. The precious years we lost thinking that way cost Montana and Idaho BIG TIME.

And the way it is written now, no wolf will ever die by the hand of man… so it opens Pandora’s box in a big way when it comes to population of predators exploding without the potential of ever being checked

 

[wind gypsy]

Polis isn't going to be around forever he is term limited. The number the wolf groups put out is only saying Colorado has enough habitat for 750 wolves, they won't all be in one area. Besides like the article has mentioned Colorado isn't like other States of the west, we have a much much higher population of people and a lot of those people do recreational activities year round. Do we even know the impacts of how the wolves are going to handle a constant human presents from this recreation?

Obviously terrain is different but 2600+ wolves sure thrive in MN where there isn't such big blocks of land free from roads and development.

 

[Hnthrdr]

Obviously terrain is different but 2600+ wolves sure thrive in MN where there isn't such big blocks of land free from roads and development.

This is the worry, it will be thousands and thousands, they will only limit themselves when they run out of prey. Really the only way I see us coming back from this is too much negative human wolf conflict. Front range hikers getting eaten is what it will end up taking to get folks to maybe consider some time of management. Also I do think the recreational activities and places they take place might be greater in Co than MN, I could be wrong, but people are in the back country 24/7, 365 these days

 

[AZ_Hunter_2000]

This is for the all knowing folks...

Why now are the elk and deer going to be eliminated from the face of this Earth by wolves and not at anytime in the past tens of thousands of years?

 

[Ucsdryder]

This is for the all knowing folks...

Why now are the elk and deer going to be eliminated from the face of this Earth by wolves and not at anytime in the past tens of thousands of years?

Humans

Elk used to be plains animals, similar to bison. What happened 100 years ago, let alone thousands isn’t a valid example of how things will play out in the future.

 

[justin davis]

You can keep trying to try and label me as being ok with things but your barking up the wrong tree. I don't have to look at everything thru the same lense as you.

Removing lion hunting wouldn't be good for the mule deer herds at all, but prepare yourself it's coming. My friend suggested to CPW at a recent meeting to allow hunters to be able to use an Elk license on a Bear or Mtn Lion if they chose too. The CPW officer said that Mtn Lion hunting is on its way out in the political climate of Colorado and they'll be the ones handling nuisance Mtn Lions.

Yea sad deal. They will ban lion hunting. Just like they got spring bear banned. Yet CPW kills tons of bears every summer and just wastes them. A hunter would
Have to pay money and would
Use the meat and employ other things that come with hunting. But instead as long as a hunter isn’t doing it the antis are ok with it. Sad to see great state of colorado going down the drain.

Yea your right polis won’t be here forever but I hope the damage he does doesn’t have an ever lasting impact. He has sure been stacking the wildlife commission with anti hunting folks. Voting has consequences and sucks the cities control the vote

 

[justin davis]

This is for the all knowing folks...

Why now are the elk and deer going to be eliminated from the face of this Earth by wolves and not at anytime in the past tens of thousands of years?

They aren’t going to be completely limited. But they will have an impact. Do the wolves pay to hunt? Look at Idaho. They are trying to bring the wolf population down and they can’t. Ask people that live there is the elk population got impacted by wolves?

Hunting brings in millions in revenue into colorado.

And for all the clowns who say “they want it to be back to historic conditions.” How come we aren’t introducing grizzly and bison? They used to be here. Why just wolves?

 

[Hnthrdr]

Yep, why not the other apex predator or large ungulates? Easy answer this has nothing to do with restoring “balance” it has everything to do with destroying the NA model of conservation and rebuilding something in their image, IE, no animals die by the hand of man and they all live in perfect balance and harmony ( it is the Anitis pipe dream) . If you think this is not the end goal you are a fool

 

[Indian Summer]

This is for the all knowing folks...

Why now are the elk and deer going to be eliminated from the face of this Earth by wolves and not at anytime in the past tens of thousands of years?

You! You got banned from Bowsite for being pro wolf anti hunter AND pro Putin/Russia.

There’s a legitimate scientific answer to your question but experience tells me it will fail on deaf ears. So I won’t waste my breath.