Are You Getting Bad Blood Trails with the 6.5 Creedmoor? This Is Why

[Fartrell Cluggins]

OL did its job. This thread is evidence. Journalism, and I use that word loosely, used to serve the purpose of information or entertainment. The goal of journalism today is to incite.

 

[woods89]

It’s like when anyone (Especially Ron Spomer) posts 6.5 vs 308, 308 vs 30-06, 270 vs 30-06, all clickbait anymore. Just driving traffic for more money.

Those comparisons drive me nuts......

 

[TheColorCamo]

If you are in a tree stand or under 100, shoot em in the neck... no blood trail needed, and it doesn't ruin any of the best meat. Idk about 6.5 Creedmoor, but they never get away if shot in the front half with a magnum 30 cal

 

[260madman]

I read the article and I'm not sure what your issue with it is, are you an easily offended 6.5 guy??
They acknowledged all the variables that lead to quick kills and good vs poor blood trails.
Most importantly they accurately described what happens when you shoot an animal in the shoulder with an explosive small caliber bullet (143 eldx and 142 ablr).
I've been hunting with a 6.5 for 5 years and taken a lot of animals with it, there is definitely some truth to the arguments being made for larger calibers like an 06 knocking game down quicker, and a bigger hole will allow more fluids to escape than a smaller hole with equalshot placement, its physics..
Personally I've seen more shit go sideways with 243s than anything else..

This season I shot a bull at 300 yards at a very steep downward angle, I was on a cliff above and shot down into rear lungs quartering away. The 220 grain Berger passed through the top of one lung and penetrated all the way to the chest and lodged under the skin.
He tore into the brush and timber like only an elk can do, I searched around and surprisingly found a decent blood trail that turned into a 50' blood luge where he went down and skidded through the brush on a steep slope.
That one lung was shredded from the large diameter expanded bullet.
Now please make your case that a 140 class 6.5 creed woulda inflicted the same level of damage, penetration, and blood letting as a 220 grain mushroom.

Yes I am so easily offended using .224, .264, .284 and .308 and killing deer. I’m not picky. Like I said, shot placement and physics.

 

[Formidilosus]

I read the article and I'm not sure what your issue with it is, are you an easily offended 6.5 guy??

Yes, because everyone that points how stupid clickbait is and how it is only hampering the publics knowledge of actual terminal ballistics is an easily offended 6.5 guy.

They acknowledged all the variables that lead to quick kills and good vs poor blood trails.
Most importantly they accurately described what happens when you shoot an animal in the shoulder with an explosive small caliber bullet (143 eldx and 142 ablr).

What happens “when you shoot an animal in the shoulder with an explosive small caliber bullet (143eldx and 142 ablr)”? Because the article didn’t describe it at all? Also, saying things such as “explosive” further obscures reality to people. They don’t explode, they upset and fragment. The difference mattes.

I've been hunting with a 6.5 for 5 years and taken a lot of animals with it,

Can you please “define a lot of animals”? How many medium to big game- deer/antelope/bear/elk?

I’m sure it’s more than I, as I’m only at a couple hundred with various 6.5’s, and my best single day with a 300WM was high 60’s on deer; but please humor me- the data set matters.

there is definitely some truth to the arguments being made for larger calibers like an 06 knocking game down quicker, and a bigger hole will allow more fluids to escape than a smaller hole with equalshot placement, its physics..
Personally I've seen more shit go sideways with 243s than anything else..

I’ve killed more than a hundred medium to large game with both the 06 and 243 each. The 243 specifically still holds the second best record of instant drops of any combo I/we’ve tracked. Of course bullets matter, and change the bullet to most of the crap people shoot in smaller cartridges and there will be sketchy experiences.

This season I shot a bull at 300 yards at a very steep downward angle, I was on a cliff above and shot down into rear lungs quartering away. The 220 grain Berger passed through the top of one lung and penetrated all the way to the chest and lodged under the skin.
He tore into the brush and timber like only an elk can do, I searched around and surprisingly found a decent blood trail that turned into a 50' blood luge where he went down and skidded through the brush on a steep slope.
That one lung was shredded from the large diameter expanded bullet.
Now please make your case that a 140 class 6.5 creed woulda inflicted the same level of damage, penetration, and blood letting as a 220 grain mushroom.

Actually, a 140ge ELD-M would have sent fragments into both lungs on that hit- terminal fact. That Berger holding together caused a one lung shot situation, had it fragmented completely, it too would have damaged both lungs.

 

[762 ULTRAMAGA]

How much does it weigh now? Just wondering what the retention was.

113 grains so just over 50% which is what I prefer since most of my kills are beyond 500.
Obviously they do pretty dang well at higher impact velocities as well, at least the big heavies do which is why I agree with alot of what that article talked about.
Start with more mass end with more mass

 

[Mike D Texas]

Why the Fack do they have to call out a specific cartridge for that? I mean the article might have good points but it could apply to many cartridges. F ing media has to splash a catchy headline to write basic crap. Ridiculous.

Turn about fair play for the 6.5 Creed fanboys that think it’s the greatest cartridge ever invented?


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[Formidilosus]

Turn about fair play for the 6.5 Creed fanboys that think it’s the greatest cartridge ever invented?

Can you please point out one real person like that? This is stated constantly and yet I have never seen a single person say or act that way.

 

[260madman]

Damn, I forgot the .277 to add to my list of calibers that I’m so easily offended with. I always forget about the 270 mini-gay that I have.

Some guys think the 6.5Jesus is the best. Not me, I know better. It’s the 260 Rem . If I were to stack the deer in a pickup bed I’ve killed over the last 20 years with a.264 flavor I’d easily have 3 beds heaped. It’s certainly not the best but stuff dies when hit in the right spot. My 7RM is lonely sitting by itself in the dark all these years.

 

[Mike D Texas]

Can you please point out one real person like that? This is stated constantly and yet I have never seen a single person say or act that way.

Not anyone we would mutually know.

But I typically see people that buy them because that’s what the read in the magazine or shown on the hunting/tacticool/whatever show or YouTube channel.

In other words people AHU typically aren’t as educated on cartridges as other folks.


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[204guy]

Read it and I'm reminded why I haven't read outdoorlife in 15+ years. Did my lying eyes just read a 6.5 creed is marginal on deer at woods ranges?

 

[204guy]

.264 139 scenar that impacted at <2250 fps, so less than creed velocities at woods ranges. Definitely hit lower than I'd like, so no pooling in body cavity. I'm sure an acceptable deer cartridge like the 30-06 would have made a difference. SMH.

https://imgur.com/Y4z0LmW

 

[LookinforDirt]

The article finally gets to reasonable points towards the end. They just used the 6.5 Creedmoor slight to get everyone to click on it. “Not getting good blood trails? Here’s why.” No mention of caliber needed. But who can be quick to argue over that?

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

I just ran the author's name through Google Images. She can say whatever the hell she wants to.

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

The article finally gets to reasonable points towards the end. They just used the 6.5 Creedmoor slight to get everyone to click on it. “Not getting good blood trails? Here’s why.” No mention of caliber needed. But who can be quick to argue over that?

They spent the first half of the article poo-pooing the 6.5 Creed, then the second half telling us why the first half should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Fartrell Cluggins]

Can you please point out one real person like that? This is stated constantly and yet I have never seen a single person say or act that way.

You'll have to trust me on this one. There are people out there who fanatically worship the 6.5 Creedjesus.

 

[jwatts]

I use my dogs to track deer all season here in Mississippi. I also talk to lots of others that do. Any time a hunter says they know they made a good shot, but don't have blood, there are 2 calibers that automatically come into mind- 7mm-08 and 6.5 Creedmoor. It's not the cartridge's fault though. It's bullet selection and shot placement. Most shots I deal with are under 100yd in wide open food plots surrounded by some sort of thick woods or cutover. Those hunters typically shoot some sort of bullet meant for rapid expansion that may not leave a blood trail. The deer will be DOA within 100yd (in most instances) but the lack of blood trail and the mutliple deer paths leading away from the plot make the trail impossible to follow. Same calibers, but with a different bullet, and I'd never be on that track to begin with.

 

[roosiebull]

Why the Fack do they have to call out a specific cartridge for that? I mean the article might have good points but it could apply to many cartridges. F ing media has to splash a catchy headline to write basic crap. Ridiculous.

click bait... mention the most loved/hated cartridge ever made in the article title

 

[roosiebull]

Damn, I forgot the .277 to add to my list of calibers that I’m so easily offended with. I always forget about the 270 mini-gay that I have.

Some guys think the 6.5Jesus is the best. Not me, I know better. It’s the 260 Rem . If I were to stack the deer in a pickup bed I’ve killed over the last 20 years with a.264 flavor I’d easily have 3 beds heaped. It’s certainly not the best but stuff dies when hit in the right spot. My 7RM is lonely sitting by itself in the dark all these years.

i just sold my 7RM to fund a chassis for my gender bender (6.5creed)

 

[Paul Shirek]

I really like my 6.5 Creedmoor and have killed a number of really nice deer and one big bear with it. I have used 143 gr Hornady eldx for all. All animals died ok. Poor blood trails on some. Only one exit wound. End results are good but I am no longer using these bullets. I will go with Federal fusion or plain old power shok...