Are we our own worst enemies?

[Ucsdryder]

The hunters got their elk. They didn’t realize it would become their public nightmare.

“I told them they’d set back years of effort to create goodwill between the non-hunting community and hunters.”

www.mercurynews.com

“Geringer said that not all of the interactions the veteran hunters had with passersby that Sunday were unpleasant.

“You can’t imagine how many people congratulated us and were happy for us,” he said. “It’s just that the timing was wrong.””

Zero chance that meat was still good after sitting in the sun that long. Obviously the “hunter” doesn’t get it.

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

No citations but it says 3 hunters 4 elk….

But yes we are our own enemy, the social aspect of hunting now of who can fill their tag, who’s got more brass to harvest, look what I did, has overwhelmed the community. Shoot first ask questions later.

With the availability of meat in our stores NOBODY really needs to harvest an elk that bad, this isn’t 1800 when you couldn’t just go buy meat.

A huge blame for this is the social media stars, they to are ruining hunting, guys who go out to harvest 10-20 animals a year for their financial gain and fame. They put u reasonable aspects in people’s minds with their lies and camera tricks. So when people finally make it out west they expect herds of 1000’s of elk, bulls bugling 500 times an hour, spotting animals 1/4 from the road. So when these people finally get here and it’s not what the tv shows are about they get greedy, it’s not as easy as that star made it so I better take the shot I shouldn’t or shoot first ask what now next.

I get calls every year, i shot this elk, and now idk how to get it out of here, I need help, I know it was 75 degrees and I’m 8 miles from my truck but I couldn’t pass this shot and now my meats getting ruined.

We will in the long run hang ourselves


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[LostArra]

No citations but it says 3 hunters 4 elk….

3 hunters with four tags is not unusual in Wyoming with full price cow tags and reduced price cow/calf tags and leftover tags.

My question is wanton waste violations.

 

[MuleyFever]

We will in the long run hang ourselves

We already have the rope, just to busy arguing amongst ourselves to agree on how to tie the knot.

 

[BigAntlerGetter]

3 hunters with four tags is not unusual in Wyoming with full price cow tags and reduced price cow/calf tags and leftover tags.

My question is wanton waste violations.

Thanks for clarifying I did not know that, I would say if the wardens felt they were making an effort to get the meat then thats one thing, but I mean you stand there for hours waiting and waiting scratching ur heads?


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[TheTone]

3 hunters with four tags is not unusual in Wyoming with full price cow tags and reduced price cow/calf tags and leftover tags.

My question is wanton waste violations.

Waste could be difficult to prove unless they themselves said yeah it’s spoiled, didn’t retrieve it at all or dumped it somewhere. I’ve seen some pretty nasty critters in Idaho that people fully intended to eat and thus didn’t meet Idaho’s waste laws. I’d guess Wyoming may be similar

 

[Stubborn_bowhunter]

Devil's advocado..

Could've went better, but they didn't do anything illegal. Unless it led to wanton waste.

If we're worried about offending anti hunters.. then don't hunt. Anytime you're hunting at all offends them.

I had a buddy get chewed and people made a scene about him just having a bow with him hiking in for a deer hunt.
The people reacted the same way they would've reacted if he killed a deer by the trail. Called him a poacher for just being on a trail we've hunted for years.
They call game and fish for hiking with weapons.

The disconnect from death and nature is absurd. Carcasses are part of the wild. No matter how they're caused. If something else killed them no one would've cared.
People are stuck in this bullshit mindset that they're above nature.

Social media often represents hunting way worse than guys who happened to kill elk legally by a trail.

The guys definitely shouldn't be shooting animals if they have no plan to get them out, but I have a hard time siding with the "offended" agenda on this on.

 

[big44a4]

Wow. I’m not with the “fair chase” argument but not thinking about recovery in that situation is mind blowing. I know others get in somewhat similar situations too many miles away from vehicle in high temps. Easy to see river moving fast and not being able to get to animals prior to shooting as it’s right in front of you. I guess it requires more than 2 eyes to figure that one out.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Devil's advocado..

Could've went better, but they didn't do anything illegal. Unless it led to wanton waste.

If we're worried about offending anti hunters.. then don't hunt. Anytime you're hunting at all offends them.

I had a buddy get chewed and people made a scene about him just having a bow with him hiking in for a deer hunt.
The people reacted the same way they would've reacted if he killed a deer by the trail. Called him a poacher for just being on a trail we've hunted for years.
They call game and fish for hiking with weapons.

The disconnect from death and nature is absurd. Carcasses are part of the wild. No matter how they're caused. If something else killed them no one would've cared.
People are stuck in this bullshit mindset that they're above nature.

Social media often represents hunting way worse than guys who happened to kill elk legally by a trail.

The guys definitely shouldn't be shooting animals if they have no plan to get them out, but I have a hard time siding with the "offended" agenda on this on.

The “if it’s not legal then I don’t have a problem with it” mentality is part of the issue. I guess the alternative is to add a few thousand laws, or 10s of thousands of laws to cover every possible stupid things people do. Sometimes common sense SHOULD prevail.

 

[nphunter]

A lot of people are just idiots, if a calf elk could make it to the island ok so could an adult who knows how to swim, there is a good chance they could have walked across to the island. A piece of rope tied around one guys waist to tie to the elk would have worked to drag them across the water. Animal carcasses are super easy to float.

Leaving guts in an animal or treating meat poorly isn't uncommon at all, one time up in the eagle cap wilderness we were deer hunting and had a couple of guys stop by our camp and tell us they shot a buck and were going back in the morning to bring him out. It was the end of the season for us and we were just finishing up breaking down the wall tent when these guys came by with their buck on a game cart. One of the guys in our camp comment on how huge-bodied the buck was as we watched them roll toward our camp. When they arrived we realized that it was huge because it was bloated up because they still had not gutted it. They were from the west side of the state and were just going to have the meat processer gut it for them, they shot the buck about 2 miles and 1500' of elevation above our camp in the wilderness. I can't even imagine bringing an entire buck out whole that far even on a game cart?

A couple of years back we also watched a camp kill a 5 point bull near our camp, they made a huge mess of that bull breaking him down and then they proceeded to stack all of the broken down elk into a pile on the ground under the existing meat pole in the old camp and wrap it in a blue tarp for a couple of days.

I a very wary of eating any wild game at other peoples homes, I've had some pretty nasty meals over the years, I also don't like my wife and kids eating wild game from other people because there have been a lot of people ruined for life on eating wild game by being served poorly taken care meat.

 

[Stubborn_bowhunter]

The “if it’s not legal then I don’t have a problem with it” mentality is part of the issue. I guess the alternative is to add a few thousand laws, or 10s of thousands of laws to cover every possible stupid things people do. Sometimes common sense SHOULD prevail.

I definitely agree it's not a good look.
I'm just saying if random lightning, or wolves killed those elk people would've been like "oh wow nature is brutal. Such is life."
But because humans were involved it suddenly becomes "unnatural" in the eyes of some people.

 

[TSAMP]

I definitely agree it's not a good look.
I'm just saying if random lightning, or wolves killed those elk people would've been like "oh wow nature is brutal. Such is life."
But because humans were involved it suddenly becomes "unnatural" in the eyes of some people.

It isnt that the elk died, it's that they weren't treated respectfully. Which I think we all agree is important. You cannot fairly compare acts of nature and acts of humans.

I walk my dog every day and he pisses on about 25 items throughout the neighborhood. If I did that I bet I'm arrested by piss 6. Unfair, maybe. Unreasonable, I think not.

 

[Stubborn_bowhunter]

It isnt that the elk died, it's that they weren't treated respectfully. Which I think we all agree is important. You cannot fairly compare acts of nature and acts of humans.

I walk my dog every day and he pisses on about 25 items throughout the neighborhood. If I did that I bet I'm arrested by piss 6. Unfair, maybe. Unreasonable, I think not.

Definitely should've been more rational in their choices.
I'm not arguing that it wasn't stupid of them.
It 100% should've been handled differently.

Just stating another point of view.

 

[sneaky]

I can't believe those idiots couldn't find a boat or raft, in Jackson area, in less than 33hrs. Pure geniuses in that bunch. Don't think it will slip by people that they're NR flatlanders either. Another black eye for the hunting community as a whole.

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[Ucsdryder]

I can't believe those idiots couldn't find a boat or raft, in Jackson area, in less than 33hrs. Pure geniuses in that bunch. Don't think it will slip by people that they're NR flatlanders either. Another black eye for the hunting community as a whole.

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Good point. Hard to believe there isn’t a place that sells or rents rafts there with the snake going right through it.

 

[sndmn11]

I can't believe those idiots couldn't find a boat or raft, in Jackson area, in less than 33hrs. Pure geniuses in that bunch. Don't think it will slip by people that they're NR flatlanders either. Another black eye for the hunting community as a whole.

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Or that the wildlife guys didn't have some sort of watercraft.

 

[wind gypsy]

And this is literally right outside of Jackson, like on the main travel route between Jackson and Jackson Hole.. Not smart.

 

[trophyhill]

No we are not our own worst enemies. Liberals progressives and treehuggers are our worst enemies.....

 

[Trial153]

Yes we are our own worst enemy. regardless of others at times erroneous perceptions of us we still have an obligation to our wildlife and our community to make choices that’s show us as conscientious and moral.
Despite the the popular mantra of hunters equaling conservation we have a too large segment of the hunting community that quite frankly couldn’t give two shits about wildlife or our Environment and our place in it, except for what it’s gains them personally. There are hunters among us that wouldn’t bat an eye at shooting the last deer in the forest if they had tag for it.

 

[Ucsdryder]

No we are not our own worst enemies. Liberals progressives and treehuggers are our worst enemies.....

I strongly disagree. There are 3 categories of people when it comes to hunting perception and as much as we love to make everything in this day and age political, none of them fall into a political category.

1. hunters (small population)
2. Anti-hunters (tree huggers) (small population)
3. Non-hunters (vast majority of the population)

Non-hunters aren’t an issue, many of them support what we do, but what we have to worry about is the percentage of anti-hunters. Idiot hunters that do things like this move non-hunters into the anti-hunter category. That’s what we must fear.