Arctic Oven vs Barneys Bomb Shelter

[luke moffat]

Have they changed the guy points on the Guides over the years? The one I am familiar with seemed to have about half of the points needed and they connected only to the fly, not the pole structure. Maybe an older version?

Not sure sir. I have two 6 man guide models...one bought in 2005 and one bought in 2013. Both have the same guy out locations. Personally I would use the guide model as the hangout and cook tent and then get a small low profile tent to sleep in as you don't need much to crawl into, but if the weather is nasty you want something robust to hangout in after days of crap weather and waiting for the plane to come.

 

[Jeff Martin]

Guys, please school me on this (perhaps a dumb question) as I have never used an AO. I see many posts about heating the tent with a "buddy heater", etc...
Question: how are you getting away with that without CO2 poisoning in a smaller tent? Perhaps the inner tent fabric?

 

[Stid2677]

Guys, please school me on this (perhaps a dumb question) as I have never used an AO. I see many posts about heating the tent with a "buddy heater", etc...
Question: how are you getting away with that without CO2 poisoning in a smaller tent? Perhaps the inner tent fabric?

Two ways,, the inner liner is made from vapex, which breathes well, the tents also have 2 vents, a lower and upper vent that must remain open and clear while using a stove.

 

[Nick Muche]

I also believe that the Mr. Buddy Heater I have says right on it that it's safe for small spaces without the CO2 worry. We still keep vents open though.

 

[AK Troutbum]

I've been using a propane heater in tents for years, and never had an issue. I always have the tent vented, and have never left it to run all night. It sure is nice to fire it up in the morning before getting out of bed and in the evening when your hanging out before going to bed.

 

[Slim Jim]

I always use a little buddy in a base camp tent when it's cold.
Maybe that's what's wrong with me

 

[Ramshead]

Here is an interesting Norwegian alternative. Have never seen them in person, but looks good to me. Norway can be pretty extreme too.

http://www.wildcoasttents.com/Helsport_Varanger.php

http://shop.wildcoasttents.com/Valhall-Tent-Package-with-Stove-Skirt-VAL152-890.htm

http://www.helsport.no/produkter/tents

 

[SDHNTR]

Well I emailed AK Tent and Tarp today. They said for $75 they would seam seal it for me and I could buy and pick up at their Anchorage location. Sounding better and better...

 

[castandblast]

Not sure sir. I have two 6 man guide models...one bought in 2005 and one bought in 2013. Both have the same guy out locations. Personally I would use the guide model as the hangout and cook tent and then get a small low profile tent to sleep in as you don't need much to crawl into, but if the weather is nasty you want something robust to hangout in after days of crap weather and waiting for the plane to come.

Thanks. We are using the guide tent/sleeping tents the same way here.

 

[jherald]

No experience with the Arctic Ovens but hear nothing but good things. Have a 6 man bomb shelter and have never had any issues with it in any weather what-so-ever, the tent was second hand to me by a friend who used it guiding for many years. The tent is nearly 20 years old and still going, save for a few minor repairs with tenacious tape on the fabric. It's been a good tent.

 

[Jeff Martin]

I also believe that the Mr. Buddy Heater I have says right on it that it's safe for small spaces without the CO2 worry. We still keep vents open though.

Thanks all...I have never trusted it although the label says it is safe. Thats good to know.

 

[dotman]

Isn't the cabelas M1 the same as the Barneys? It has been 50% off since Christmas. Also for you guys that have a Mr Heater, does it work well above 7k or is it a big PIA once over that elevation? I'm thinking about getting a big buddy but I would be used at around 9k and the mfg says they don't work over 7k because of the oxygen sensor? How many keep a CO detector with when using?

 

[AK Troutbum]

How many keep a CO detector with when using?

I'm not sure, I have no idea, if a carbon monoxide detector would work with a propane burning heater. When propane is burned the missions are carbon dioxide and water.

 

[Daniel_M]

I'm not sure, I have no idea, if a carbon monoxide detector would work with a propane burning heater. When propane is burned the missions are carbon dioxide and water.

CO can be produced from incomplete burn of propane (i.e. too rich/too lean). My enclosed trailer w/ heater came standard with a CO detector. Regardless, I've used Buddy heaters for years. I do put more faith in the buddy heaters vs the micro-catalytic style. I've used the Micros in ice fishing tents only to feel sick and have burning eyes. I believe the catalytic element on a Buddy style to be far superior, burning much cleaner.

 

[SDHNTR]

I have a guide tent and like it but I have had to hold it off me on Kodiak, would not be my first choice.

This is a video of one on Kodiak that a guy I know filmed,, you decide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PylrnSDprIM

Not sure how I missed this vid the first read thru. Wow. I don't want that! Anybody think a Saivo or a Pipeline would have handled those conditions any better? I know it's very unlikely to see that kind of weather in the 40 mile country but I was a Boy Scout and you know the motto. What if? Hell, wasn't it 2012 when Anchorage got pounded with a gnarly windstorm in Sept?

 

[Nick Muche]

Not sure how I missed this vid the first read thru. Wow. I don't want that! Anybody think a Saivo or a Pipeline would have handled those conditions any better? I know it's very unlikely to see that kind of weather in the 40 mile country but I was a Boy Scout and you know the motto. What if? Hell, wasn't it 2012 when Anchorage got pounded with a gnarly windstorm in Sept?

The guy who made that video forgot one very important piece of the puzzle while hunting/camping on Kodiak (or anywhere).... USE THE GUY LINES... He barely had it guy'ed out. That tent would have been just fine had it been guy'ed out properly.

All things being equal, the Hille would have likely done better because it's lower to the ground. The Pipeline, being a tunnel (and lower profile) and pitched properly likely would have as well... but that Guide Series would have done it's job if the people setting it up would have as well.

 

[SDHNTR]

The guy who made that video forgot one very important piece of the puzzle while hunting/camping on Kodiak (or anywhere).... USE THE GUY LINES... He barely had it guy'ed out. That tent would have been just fine had it been guy'ed out properly.

All things being equal, the Hille would have likely done better because it's lower to the ground. The Pipeline, being a tunnel (and lower profile) and pitched properly likely would have as well... but that Guide Series would have done it's job if the people setting it up would have as well.

Looking at the video from about 4:00-4:20, it looked like he had it guyed out pretty well with all the attachment points available. The lines on the side of the tent are dark colored and hard to see, but they are there if you look close. What am I missing? Or maybe the stakes just ripped out of the ground after that shot.

 

[907Campbell]

Option

Well I emailed AK Tent and Tarp today. They said for $75 they would seam seal it for me and I could buy and pick up at their Anchorage location. Sounding better and better...

If you decide to buy this tent and want to get rid of it when you get to Anchorage or Fairbanks, let me know.

James

 

[Hoopleheader]

The AO 10 extreme with vesty, is like being at home. You can heat one with a coleman lantern, they are that well insulated. I have never had a condensation issue on the inside even in the wettest of conditions. The only draw back is they are heavy, around 50lbs and bulky as hell. Combined with a Nuway propane stove, they are heaven in the bush, makes it hard to get out of it sometimes.

How well does the nu-way heat the tent? I’m going to get either the 10 or igloo combined with this stove. Typical temps would be in the 0-20f range at night. I’d like the extra headroom of the AO 10, but could probably live with a slight reduction in space if it makes a big difference in comfort/propane use.

 

[Stid2677]

How well does the nu-way heat the tent? I’m going to get either the 10 or igloo combined with this stove. Typical temps would be in the 0-20f range at night. I’d like the extra headroom of the AO 10, but could probably live with a slight reduction in space if it makes a big difference in comfort/propane use.

With an AO 10/12 and the small Nu-Way,, shirtsleeve,, sleep with your bag open comfortable.