Arctic Oven vs Barneys Bomb Shelter

[TEmbry]

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I have hunted AK. Last year spent 5 days stuck in a Hilleberg Nallo for 5 days on a goat hunt in terrible rain. Preparing for the worst has shaped my criteria. IMO, the Hilleberg Saivo meets my criteria, if I can manage the condensation, and the Pipeline meets my criteria if I can talk them into prepping the tent ahead of time for a fee. That I don't mind doing if it's a realistic option. So I guess I don't see why my criteria is all that unrealistic. Appreciate all the input though.

If money isn't a factor, I'd 10-1 prefer the pipeline over the guide tent... AOs are top of the line for a reason... As Nick and others said, Guide tents are great if you are realistic with your use of it. Guide tent could be shipped to store and waiting at Anchorage Cabelas, although I'm sure the pipeline could be made field ready too.

I plan on a bomb proof alaska shelter in next year or so, but I actually like floorless for a lot of my hunts so I also want a sawtooth this year as well.

Can never have enough options for shelters in the backcountry.

 

[SDHNTR]

However for the 40 mile country, I would just take the Cabelas tent you have, and not think twice. Two tents on a supercub trip? Why?

Yk

Actually 3 tents, possibly. 2 sleeping tents for 2 guys each and one gear tent. Overkill? Seems like a gear tent is a good idea. And if one of the sleeping tents fails, we'd have a back up, worst case. We are already accepting the fact up front that we will probably pay for an additional gear load flight, however, still not a reason to go crazy on weight with 60lb tents. If, for no other reason, we have to carry them a ways from landing to a suitable campsite.

 

[Nick Muche]

You don't really need a "tent" for gear storage, the tarps from Kifaru work great or something similar. I use a Paratarp or my SL2 for gear storage. They are light and easy to set up.

 

[SDHNTR]

If money isn't a factor, I'd 10-1 prefer the pipeline over the guide tent... AOs are top of the line for a reason... As Nick and others said, Guide tents are great if you are realistic with your use of it. Guide tent could be shipped to store and waiting at Anchorage Cabelas, although I'm sure the pipeline could be made field ready too.

I plan on a bomb proof alaska shelter in next year or so, but I actually like floorless for a lot of my hunts so I also want a sawtooth this year as well.

Can never have enough options for shelters in the backcountry.

I learned about myself long ago, that I would rather skimp and save elsewhere than not buy good sleeping gear. Not to say that money is no object, it is, but an extra $500 for a better tent is money well spent for piece of mind alone, IMO.

WRT the Pipeline. I guess I don't mind tying in some guy lines with 550 cord (although I do like the Hille system with them already installed and with easily adjusted cam locks), so that is not really a deal breaker, but I would need it seam sealed beforehand as there is no way I'd have time to do that and let dry, recoat, and then pack back up. Where are the seams in a Pipeline? Is sealing that big of a deal? Are there any on the bottom of the floor or on the roof of the fly?

 

[Daniel_M]

As Stid2677 previously mentioned, he did not seal his Pipeline and has taken his to Kodiak with no issues.

 

[SDHNTR]

You don't really need a "tent" for gear storage, the tarps from Kifaru work great or something similar. I use a Paratarp or my SL2 for gear storage. They are light and easy to set up.

That's a thought I hadn't considered. I've always been a tent guy and dont have much experience with tarps, other than the cheapo blue one over my woodpile, LOL. I might have to look into this idea a bit more.

I still want a new tent. The Cabelas XPG model that I have would be real tight with two big guys, boots and stuff.

 

[Nick Muche]

I should have listened to my wife the past two years at the Outdoors show up here... She keeps telling me to just buy one! I have stared at that pipeline for hours, pacing around it, just haven't pulled the trigger. I want one. No need to seam seal it as already mentioned.

Tying in guy lines is not very hard...

I think it would be overkill for a quick Bou hunt in 40 mile country. What you have would work just fine!

 

[Yellowknife]

This one old dude named Frank Glaser spent three+ months in the the Forty Mile country a while back. Followed the caribou migration from Eagle to the Steese as part of a study. No tent. No sleeping bag. Slept under trees until it started to snow in September, and then killed a caribou and slept in the skin.

Bring what you want. But the Forty Mile isn't exactly goat country.

Yk

 

[Nick Muche]

Gear storage with a ParaTarp and our Hille.

 

[castandblast]

This one old dude named Frank Glaser spent three+ months in the the Forty Mile country a while back. Followed the caribou migration from Eagle to the Steese as part of a study. No tent. No sleeping bag. Slept under trees until it started to snow in September, and then killed a caribou and slept in the skin.

Bring what you want. But the Forty Mile isn't exactly goat country.

Yk

Great book!

 

[SDHNTR]

Very helpful. Thanks all.

Frank Glaser is more man than me! That's a bad ass.

Nick, I like overkill. And I don't know if this is a "quick" bou hunt. It's 8 days. The thought of two big dudes in my little XPG tent for 8 days is not appealing. Besides, I've been in enough lower 48 crappy weather (Gila flood of 2013, for example) to warrant a better tent too, so it's not like it will only see use this once. I don't mind the investment.

I also like the looks of that Paratarp. What is holding it up front and back?

The Pipeline is looking better and better. Sounds pretty unanimous that it's preferred over the Hilleberg, right?

 

[SDHNTR]

FYI, from the AK Tent and Tarp website...

"9.Do I need to seam seal my Arctic Oven tent? a. Yes, we recommend that you seam seal your Arctic Oven tent before using it in wet areas. We include Kenyon Seam Sealer 3 with all of our Arctic Oven tent purchases. Read the instructions on the bottle before you begin the seam sealing process. Seam sealing should be done in a fully ventilated area. Set up your tent or lay it out flat. Make sure the seams are straight and taut to allow for even application of the sealer. Now, decide which seams need to be sealed. It is best to seal the seams that are exposed to rain, runoff, or ground level water. Apply the sealant to the inside and outside of all exposed seams. Apply the sealant in a straight line, evenly and liberally, into all needle holes. Several thin layers will work better than one thick layer. Allow one hour or more for the sealant to completely dry before storing the tent."

 

[Nick Muche]

I also like the looks of that Paratarp. What is holding it up front and back?

An arrow and a treking pole. Could have used a stick or something too...

If you have decent weather, you should be tagged out by day 4 40 mile country looks very conducive to hunting those Bou, seems to be much more cover than up north.

 

[SDHNTR]

An arrow and a treking pole. Could have used a stick or something too...

If you have decent weather, you should be tagged out by day 4 40 mile country looks very conducive to hunting those Bou, seems to be much more cover than up north.

I hope you are corect sir!

 

[Vance in AK]

A lot has been said here by guys with a LOT more time in their tents than me, in a LOT more varied conditions, & with a LOT more experience with different models.
That said, & have the 10x10 Eureka Alaskan Tundra Extreme (same as the Barney's Bomb Shelter. they made them for Barney's & rebranded them with the Barneys name up to a few years ago) & have spent a few weeks in it with a fair amount of rain & wind. It did well, never moved, & stayed dry (inside).
I have never been in an AO & don't doubt they are tougher.

 

[luke moffat]

The tent in the video Steve posted was not fully guyed out. I have taken the guide model all over Alaska since I bought it in 2005 and yes not fully guyed it it will do that.

But fully guyed out I would trust it over a 12 man tipi no doubt. Cabelas guide models are a great value for the money. Is a Arctic Oven 3-4 times as good?? Thats up to you to decide. However, given the trip the OP is talking about I would opt for the guide model no doubt.

 

[Nick Muche]

Just had time to watch that video, that guy is funny, I have watched a few of his hunting adventures on YouTube.

That said, had he guyed it out, the tent would have done fine.

 

[castandblast]

The tent in the video Steve posted was not fully guyed out. I have taken the guide model all over Alaska since I bought it in 2005 and yes not fully guyed it it will do that.

But fully guyed out I would trust it over a 12 man tipi no doubt. Cabelas guide models are a great value for the money. Is a Arctic Oven 3-4 times as good?? Thats up to you to decide. However, given the trip the OP is talking about I would opt for the guide model no doubt.

Have they changed the guy points on the Guides over the years? The one I am familiar with seemed to have about half of the points needed and they connected only to the fly, not the pole structure. Maybe an older version?

 

[AK Troutbum]

Just had time to watch that video, that guy is funny, I have watched a few of his hunting adventures on YouTube.

That said, had he guyed it out, the tent would have done fine.

Agreed. I think he may have had it guyed out properly in the beginning but later on in the video, when the tent was laying down on them, they probably had some stakes or something pull loose. Once that ground gets saturated, it can become quite the PITA getting your stakes to hold in a big blow. If everything on that tent that has a loop for a guy line was properly guyed out and nailed to the ground, the tent wouldn't have done that.

 

[Nick Muche]

Have they changed the guy points on the Guides over the years? The one I am familiar with seemed to have about half of the points needed and they connected only to the fly, not the pole structure. Maybe an older version?

The guy outs on mine are seemingly endless!