Aram Von Benedikt

[CorbLand]

I believe Utah regulations say the tag needs to be punched before the buck is "transported", so I don't think he technically did anything wrong there. Obviously, punching the tag before skinning ang gutting is still good practice.

Edit: it states "After you’ve taken a big game animal, you must tag the animal before moving the carcass or leaving the site of the kill."

From what I understand, minus the hunter orange on the hat (I am not going to fault him for that), neither party did anything illegal. Pretty sure that Utah law is the one that puts the fatal shot into the animal last, its their animal.

This is where laws and morals get tricky. Legally, Aram did nothing wrong, but morally...thats a different story. There are a lot of things that are legal...but not morally correct.

Utah law also states that your tag must stay with the largest chunk of meat until it is entirely consumed...does anyone do that?

 

[Musky]

I believe Utah regulations say the tag needs to be punched before the buck is "transported", so I don't think he technically did anything wrong there. Obviously, punching the tag before skinning ang gutting is still good practice.

Edit: it states "After you’ve taken a big game animal, you must tag the animal before moving the carcass or leaving the site of the kill."

To be honest, I didn't even look up the regs, so I believe what you wrote. Also having said that, there are times were it's left up to the officers interpretation a lot of the time also.

 

[amassi]

About 30 years ago, maybe a little longer, my dad and I used to hunt the high desert. I was too young to carry a gun. He had his 270 BAR. We’d ride horses with dogs in the sage until we jumped a big one. Then the rodeo would begin!

We’d jump off the horses, which would usually run like the ghost of satan was on their asses and he’d start shooting at the deer running as fast as a damn cheetah while being chased by 2 cow dogs barking on his heels. My job was to reload the magazines. They were 4 rounders if I remember correctly, and I’d reload them off his leather pouch on his belt, the ones that you could fit 20 rounds in. He’d stop shooting when they were out of sight, which usually was a long way away! 30 years ago the thought of ethics in that situation never crossed our minds. It sure was fun…up until it was time to go chase down the dirty nags that were usually about as far away as the buck!

I’d give a small fortune and a testicle to do that one more time…

Oh the bar
My dad and uncles shot 7mags
2 10 packs on the belt and spare clips I. The shirt pocket
Hold on top of the horns when they’re way out there


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[74Bronco]

This is where laws and morals get tricky. Legally, Aram did nothing wrong, but morally...thats a different story. There are a lot of things that are legal...but not morally correct.

Once had a lawyer tell me, "If you have to look up to see if something is legal or not, you already know the answer on whether it is morally right thing to do." Legally, an orange hat, potentially leaving a 2nd wounded buck in the woods. Morally, well I think we have between 2-20 things depending on who we ask...

 

[The Guide]

From what I understand, minus the hunter orange on the hat (I am not going to fault him for that), neither party did anything illegal. Pretty sure that Utah law is the one that puts the fatal shot into the animal last, its their animal.

This is where laws and morals get tricky. Legally, Aram did nothing wrong, but morally...thats a different story. There are a lot of things that are legal...but not morally correct.

Utah law also states that your tag must stay with the largest chunk of meat until it is entirely consumed...does anyone do that?

Since he ran ahead and no one saw the final 2 shots, what says that the deer wasn't already dead and he just pumped 2 shots into the ground or an already dead deer in order to give himself justification for taking the deer?

Jay

 

[wind gypsy]

Since he ran ahead and no one saw the final 2 shots, what says that the deer wasn't already dead and he just pumped 2 shots into the ground or an already dead deer in order to give himself justification for taking the deer?

Jay

Aram said chick's husband was with him and chick's version of the story said two of the hits were from Aram so that would be stretch to speculate about.

"We finally jumped the buck and got him running again, and bleeding. The trail was easy from there on, and shortly we caught up with the buck in the bottom of a small canyon. I shot him, he took off down the wash, and I ran and shot him again. Easton and my son were with me."

 

[CorbLand]

Since he ran ahead and no one saw the final 2 shots, what says that the deer wasn't already dead and he just pumped 2 shots into the ground or an already dead deer in order to give himself justification for taking the deer?

Jay

Nothing says that he didnt do that. Very well could have. He claims his son and husband of the wife saw him do it. But speculation doesnt hold up in court.

 

[3Esski]

Deer during Utah rifle season.

 

[UncleBone]

 

[Mighty Mouse]

 

[amassi]

For me the pivotal moment was when the two hunting parties came together and what Aram knew and did in that moment.

He knew the other party had shot at and wounded a collared deer. He knew that the party knew the direction of travel of the deer they shot and that they were setting out to finish/recover it.

By his own admission, he did not think the deer he shot was previously injured or collared.

Based on these facts alone, it is hard for me to come up with any ethical justification for him getting into a footrace with the other party to beat them to the wounded deer.

Total dick move. Illegal? No. Just a sh*itty thing to do. Never mind the rest of the BS that unfolded before and after that...

Hunter harassment law
“1) A person is guilty of a class B misdemeanor who intentionally interferes with the right of a person licensed and legally hunting under Chapter 19,Licenses, Permits, and Tags to take wildlife by driving, harassing, or intentionally disturbing any species of wildlife for the purpose of disrupting a legal hunt, ...”


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[280ack]

This is so very discouraging to hear. If this happened as the young gal depicted it tells me that the small community we belong to needs to purge people like him quickly. I was in camp with a writer who has passed away years ago, this california writer left an injured guide hours from camp and forgot to tell anyone the guide needed help until he had consumed a few beers while bragging about the bull he shot. When the crew went out for the guide and to recover the bull it was discovered 23 338 winchester mag rounds were fired by this jackass to kill "his" bull. He left camp the next day.
I always ask if a writer or media star will be in camp now.

Its sad to think that an opportunity to create goodwill, unity and friendship was ignored in favor of some horns. Once respect is lost it doesnt come back.

 

[JGTWI]

For me the pivotal moment was when the two hunting parties came together and what Aram knew and did in that moment.

He knew the other party had shot at and wounded a collared deer. He knew that the party knew the direction of travel of the deer they shot and that they were setting out to finish/recover it.

By his own admission, he did not think the deer he shot was previously injured or collared.

Based on these facts alone, it is hard for me to come up with any ethical justification for him getting into a footrace with the other party to beat them to the wounded deer.

Total dick move. Illegal? No. Just a sh*itty thing to do. Never mind the rest of the BS that unfolded before and after that...

Yes- this exactly. Putting all of the other disputed facts aside, he admittedly knew that she shot first, hit a buck at least once (unknown lethality), went to the location of the hit and found blood and was tracking the deer. And she knew the deer in question was collared and the approximate route it took.

All he knew is that he cracked off a shot and blew a deer’s leg half off. And then proceeded to act like he’s the guy who’s running the show. It’s plain as day to me just looking at the facts above that he stole that deer. Not saying that the other 2 hunters didn’t have their own missteps, but it’s a simple case of a guy wanting glory and failing to do the right thing. Could have been a great lesson for his son, instead it’s a goat rodeo.

 

[ianpadron]

U-tards gonna u-tard.

My question is why is the gal shooting long range when her hubby has to reload her rifle and find the buck in the scope for her LOL.

Then the other dude sprayin and prayin with no rangefinder past 700...

What a time to be alive.

 

[wyogoat]

 

[Yooper]

 

[twsnow18]

Phuck yeah, I’m always down for a good BOAL story.

No headlamp sponsor needed on this one..? Asking for an ol’ friend.

 

[UncleBone]

 

[wyogoat]

 

[CMP70306]

Now I have only seen one collared animal but at 400 to 500 yards it was pretty dang obvious through binoculars and even more so with the spotting scope. First thing I noticed when I put glass on the herd.