Anyone try Patagonia Light and Variable Rain Jacket?

No experience with the patty jacket but take a look at the OR helium 2, its weighs less but has much better rain protection and you can find them on clearance often.
 
Why support a company that actively puts money into anti-hunting initiatives? There are lots of good options out there for clothing.
 
It's a good jacket. I own one for "around town" situations. I don't think it's durable enough for extended time in the backcountry, bushwhacking, etc. And I don't really think it's made or marketed for that purpose.

On another note, what's up with the "severely anti hunting" accusations regarding Patagonia, Ozzymodel70 and Don Perros? We've been through this on other Rokslide threads. Patagonia is well known to be pro environment and pro backcountry sports, but only those sports enjoyed by its founder Yvon Choinard. The fact Patagonia puts money towards environmental causes doesn't make it anti-hunting. Rokslide has been a great place with well-informed people, but standards are starting to slide noticably. Such blatant and extreme far-right nonsense is unbecoming for such a well-run website. Lately, it's starting to feel a bit more like the flat earth society.
 
Forgot to mention that I bid on and won a Patagonia Torrentshell rain jacket two years ago. The jacket was donated by Patagonia to Backcountry Hunters & Anglers for a fund raising dinner. That's a decent rain jacket and I often have it stuffed in my pack.

Cheers,

Eric
 
It's a good jacket. I own one for "around town" situations. I don't think it's durable enough for extended time in the backcountry, bushwhacking, etc. And I don't really think it's made or marketed for that purpose.

On another note, what's up with the "severely anti hunting" accusations regarding Patagonia, Ozzymodel70 and Don Perros? We've been through this on other Rokslide threads. Patagonia is well known to be pro environment and pro backcountry sports, but only those sports enjoyed by its founder Yvon Choinard. The fact Patagonia puts money towards environmental causes doesn't make it anti-hunting. Rokslide has been a great place with well-informed people, but standards are starting to slide noticably. Such blatant and extreme far-right nonsense is unbecoming for such a well-run website. Lately, it's starting to feel a bit more like the flat earth society.

Heard it in a podcast with Aron Snyder so it must be true.
 
Why support a company that actively puts money into anti-hunting initiatives? There are lots of good options out there for clothing.

I would love to see the details of this claim... And by details, I mean more than the fact that PETA happens to be one of the hundreds of recipients of their 1% For the Planet. I know Field & Stream made a huge stink over this, but you also have to realize who is behind Field & Stream, and accept that they typically lean pretty far right.
I'm in no way a fan of the over the top PETA organization, but when the list of recipients also includes dozens of very crucial foundations that do more for "us" than PETA does against us, being 1 of 3300 organizations that are beneficiaries of the campaign, I'll take that trade...
Some of these foundations include:
-Backcountry Hunters and Anglers
-Trout Unlimited
-Ducks Unlimited

Also, having several friends that are on Patagonia's Pro Staff team, I've learned that they will be launching some Upland specific gear in the next couple seasons... So I don't know that it's that easy to claim they're "anti-hunting".

Back to the topic, I haven't used the Light and Variable, but have checked it out in the store. I'd agree with CrzyTrekker that it's not going to be a great go to rain jacket for the backcountry. I have used several of Patagonia's rainshells, from the Torrentshell, to the M10(ultralight) and just this summer I splurged on their new Supercell. It's 10oz and seems pretty bulletproof with pit zips, and higher front pockets so you can get to them with a pack on. I picked it up at their local Outlet in the El Cap Tan which compliments a lot of my clothing(camo and non).
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It's a good jacket. I own one for "around town" situations. I don't think it's durable enough for extended time in the backcountry, bushwhacking, etc. And I don't really think it's made or marketed for that purpose.

On another note, what's up with the "severely anti hunting" accusations regarding Patagonia, Ozzymodel70 and Don Perros? We've been through this on other Rokslide threads. Patagonia is well known to be pro environment and pro backcountry sports, but only those sports enjoyed by its founder Yvon Choinard. The fact Patagonia puts money towards environmental causes doesn't make it anti-hunting. Rokslide has been a great place with well-informed people, but standards are starting to slide noticably. Such blatant and extreme far-right nonsense is unbecoming for such a well-run website. Lately, it's starting to feel a bit more like the flat earth society.

I swear it seems like this comes up every month, REI, Patagonia are anti-hunting. Education is more valuable than hearsay.
 
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Lots of "hunting" in the Middle East and elsewhere is done wearing purpose-built Patagonia products.

Some of their items are so well dialed in for my uses, I just keep coming back to them. I never pay full retail, (got a like-new Torrentshell yesterday for $49) and it's so well made I haven't been able to wear any of it out. Cap 4 and R1 Hoodies, Capilene and Merino base layers, chest waders, Nano Puff insulation, and the Houdini Windshirt are the things I use most.
 
Hmmm, I know Aron and doubt he said that. But even if he or anyone else did, I'm sure you're smart enough not to repeat gossip as truth. Why don't you step up and post some proof man.

You should look into a sarcasm detector. Probably pick one up at REI in the outlet section.
 
My beef with Patagonia is their support of Predator Defense, an organization that is 100% against the hunting and killing animals like coyotes and mountain lions...animals we like to hunt, and animals that need to be hunted to the benefit of other animals we like to hunt. "Bla bla bla" you'll say, money is fungible.

Sorry to muck up the thread jm1607. I would be absolutely delighted if you bought the jacket, arrowed a coyote, and came back and posted a picture in this thread.
 
Back to the topic, I haven't used the Light and Variable, but have checked it out in the store. I'd agree with CrzyTrekker that it's not going to be a great go to rain jacket for the backcountry. I have used several of Patagonia's rainshells, from the Torrentshell, to the M10(ultralight) and just this summer I splurged on their new Supercell. It's 10oz and seems pretty bulletproof with pit zips, and higher front pockets so you can get to them with a pack on. I picked it up at their local Outlet in the El Cap Tan which compliments a lot of my clothing(camo and non).
That's a great looking jacket. I was introduced to Patagonia in the Army. I haven't been able to wear out any of my Patagonia stuff, despite using it on 20+ trips per year. I've got 10+ year old base layers that look practically new. Also appreciate the fact Patagonia has been the leader in giving profits to conservation efforts around the world.
 
A little off topic BUT A few years back when that "Occupy wall street " stuff was going on I heard that Patagonia was outfitting some people there so I called Patagonia and asked about this. The Patagonia rep responded by saying something along the line of "We do not give gear or free outfitting to this cause BUT we do encourage our employees to be activists". Activists for what cause I'm not sure and we didnt get into that. I own and use ALOT of patagonia clothing and must say its good stuff that I trust but the whole "Activist" type of people that I know are not in line with my ideals or beliefs . Just wanted to share .
 
Wanted to add that after this conversation I have bought alot less patagonia products not because of quality but because of the whole "activist" stuff and they are ALL made overseas.
 
A little off topic BUT A few years back when that "Occupy wall street " stuff was going on I heard that Patagonia was outfitting some people there so I called Patagonia and asked about this. The Patagonia rep responded by saying something along the line of "We do not give gear or free outfitting to this cause BUT we do encourage our employees to be activists". Activists for what cause I'm not sure and we didnt get into that. I own and use ALOT of patagonia clothing and must say its good stuff that I trust but the whole "Activist" type of people that I know are not in line with my ideals or beliefs . Just wanted to share .
My point below is with respect to Patagonia, it isn't a black and white issue, and you can't really generalize their positions.

They publish editorials on a number of things, including opposition to offshore drilling, dams, and environmental issues. They also are trying to support the American Prarie Foundation efforts and buffalo restoration. I'm guessing that's what the person on the phone was referring to......

They also throw their influence around some issues that really bother me and take some odd positions in my eyes......but you can't argue against their leadership in clothing manufacturing. Yes it's made overseas, but they've got an interesting buisiness model and supply chain management practices. All of which are focused on leaving the earth as good as they can for the next generation.
 
A little off topic BUT A few years back when that "Occupy wall street " stuff was going on I heard that Patagonia was outfitting some people there so I called Patagonia and asked about this. The Patagonia rep responded by saying something along the line of "We do not give gear or free outfitting to this cause BUT we do encourage our employees to be activists". Activists for what cause I'm not sure and we didnt get into that. I own and use ALOT of patagonia clothing and must say its good stuff that I trust but the whole "Activist" type of people that I know are not in line with my ideals or beliefs . Just wanted to share .

Yeah, there's the image of a stinky activist, attending a rally, possibly armed with an Obama-issue cell phone and food stamps. What bothers me the most about the typical activist is the fact he has the time to hold a sign for days on end.

On the other hand, I wish I had more time. When I signed up for Backcountry Hunters & Anglers a few years ago I viewed it as a form of activism. When I backpacked into three local wilderness study areas earlier this year and wrote a series of blog articles detailing why those places should be preserved permanently as wilderness, for hunting, hiking, or just getting away from it all briefly, I viewed it as a form of activism.

Wish I had time to do more. Smart people are doing some really good things, and of course there are people doing things that you disagree with.

If you're not doing SOMETHING to help the cause, whatever that means to you, then you're part of the greater flock of sheep. What I notice about hunters, more than other groups, is that we are collectively very conservative. So most of us would rather complain on an Internet forum than actually do something positive.

Get off the couch and do something. I did with my blog articles, writing in favor of public land and wilderness from the perspective of a hunter. Small as it was, I got some nice feedback and might have made a small dent somewhere.

Eric
 
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