Anyone else getting screwed on health insurance?

[airlocksniffer]

What about the people that are NOT sick having to pay for the people who ARE sick but can't afford it?

Wow, the lack of empathy from some people is pretty damn amazing. I can see a lot of Roksliders are Christians but this kind of statement is probably not what Jesus would say.

 

[jmez]

Wow, the lack of empathy from some people is pretty damn amazing. I can see a lot of Roksliders are Christians but this kind of statement is probably not what Jesus would say.

It is a touchy subject and I'm not sure there is a good answer. The Bible would also say that God helps those that help themselves. Yes there are truly needy people that need help. I'm willing to help them. In doing so i'm paying over $20,000 per year in health insurance premiums. Where does it end?

It is very frustrating. I've worked very hard to get where I am today. I've paid my own way to get there. To keep health insurance for my family it is costing me $1900/month. Who's going to pay into my kids college funds? That is where these yearly 40% premium increases are coming from.

 

[30338]

Socialism isn't always fair comrade. Now pay your premiums or we'll hit you at tax time.

For the record, self employed here and wondering how long I can go before I have to get a job just for healthcare. The dems must be so proud.

 

[airlocksniffer]

It is a touchy subject and I'm not sure there is a good answer. The Bible would also say that God helps those that help themselves. Yes there are truly needy people that need help. I'm willing to help them. In doing so i'm paying over $20,000 per year in health insurance premiums. Where does it end?

It is very frustrating. I've worked very hard to get where I am today. I've paid my own way to get there. To keep health insurance for my family it is costing me $1900/month. Who's going to pay into my kids college funds? That is where these yearly 40% premium increases are coming from.

I agree you are getting screwed. Obamacare is a mess and I really think single payer is they way it should be. We pay taxes all the time for things that don't directly affect us. Why can't I pay taxes for just the roads I drive on, not the ones I never use. How about I pay my sewer tax for just my shitter? How about the fees I pay for my hunting licenses only benefit the areas I hunt but not the ones you hunt? It's called a society. Otherwise we should just devolve into roaming bands and may the strongest survive.

 

[Cross]

What about people who are sick and can't afford it? Just let them die?

Didn't you say you weren't a troll.

 

[airlocksniffer]

Didn't you say you weren't a troll.

As I'm not trying to provoke people but asking for a reasonable response as to what we should do about people who can't afford health insurance but need healthcare, then no, I'm not trolling.

 

[bourbon]

Not sure if you're trying to put words in my mouth, but you might need to re-read what I wrote. "Our" was referring to those who have and are paying into the system, and not those who are making a living off of it.

Ill just focus on Doctors since you specifically mention them, but it sounds like you dont consider them to be hard working or to also be paying into the "system". They are paying taxes and mandated to maintain insurance or be fined as well.

 

[bourbon]

What about people who are sick and can't afford it? Just let them die?

Medicare was already in place to cover these individuals as well as the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act which requires treatment for those seeking treatment.

 

[bourbon]

Wow, the lack of empathy from some people is pretty damn amazing. I can see a lot of Roksliders are Christians but this kind of statement is probably not what Jesus would say.

This is what I dont understand. If someone is such a staunt Christian wouldnt they consider an illness to be an act of god and not be so fast to want / need medical care?

 

[bourbon]

I agree you are getting screwed. Obamacare is a mess and I really think single payer is they way it should be. We pay taxes all the time for things that don't directly affect us. Why can't I pay taxes for just the roads I drive on, not the ones I never use. How about I pay my sewer tax for just my shitter? How about the fees I pay for my hunting licenses only benefit the areas I hunt but not the ones you hunt? It's called a society. Otherwise we should just devolve into roaming bands and may the strongest survive.

The problem with Obamacare is that constitutionally it is not sound. In order for a mandatory payment or fee be required of every single citizen it has to be a tax.

It can be argued that Obamacare is not a tax because it did not originate in the House thus not satisfying the requirements of the Origination Clause.

 

[AK Troutbum]

This is what I dont understand. If someone is such a staunt Christian wouldnt they consider an illness to be an act of god and not be so fast to want / need medical care?

Thank you, I got a good chuckle out of that.

 

[wapitibob]

We can easily provide medical care for those who can't afford it, same as feeding them. Doing so however doesn't fit the libtard agenda of cradle to grave government care. The ones touting Obama care aren't the ones paying insurance premiums of $1900/ month either.

 

[MuleyFever]

What about the people that are NOT sick having to pay for the people who ARE sick but can't afford it?

Well what about the people who pay for vehicle registration and taxes so we have roads so that the unemployed can ride in their friends car down those roadss? Why about the tax payer with no kids that has to pay property taxes where a good portion goes to pay for schools so other people with kids don't have to pay as much? Our country/society is built on everyone chipping in for the good of others.

 

[jmez]

There is a difference between chipping in and being forced into selling a business to continue to provide for your own family.

The ACA and health insurance premiums are far beyond the "chipping in" and "helping out" point.

How about we do this for fairness, so every one can chip in their fair share. Have the gvmnt mandate that they must purchase individual health plans. Your employer is not allowed to provide you a group policy, nor are they allowed to pay your premium. I'm guessing the level of empathy would drop exponentially.

 

[5MilesBack]

Wow, the lack of empathy from some people is pretty damn amazing. I can see a lot of Roksliders are Christians but this kind of statement is probably not what Jesus would say.

Would Jesus say that it is the government's responsibility to take care of these people? NO!

I am a born again Christian and I NEVER would EXPECT the government or anyone else to take care of me, regardless of what ailments I have. Why would any other person expect otherwise?

Let's say you're on a mountain and you break a leg with no means to communicate. Do you "expect" someone to come take care of you, or do you get your butt off the mountain yourself? If someone comes and helps me, that's fine. But I certainly don't sit around expecting it.

 

[5MilesBack]

As I'm not trying to provoke people but asking for a reasonable response as to what we should do about people who can't afford health insurance but need healthcare, then no, I'm not trolling.

What did people do "before" insurance? Insurance hasn't been around that long.

In a similar fashion Social Security is the same........being forced to pay into a broke system. If I could have opted out of SS when I first started working, I would have. We're not on our way to Socialism.......we're already there.

 

[CrzyTrekker]

I see more business owners making strategic decisions around not providing health insurance; only using part-time employees, whatever it takes. I know of a couple companies that have let people go due to rising costs, although nobody will admit to it. Also, small business owners really struggling to pay for their own increasing health care costs, not to mention chipping in for the unemployed.

The rare exception is the very flush company, and then you see a few people with great benefits. But mostly, I see the gap widening between the "haves" and the "have nots."

Yeah, it needs fixed.

 

[-bowfreak-]

As far as the Christian stance on this....Paul talked about those in the church that don't pull their own weight. He explained that it is not the obligation of the church to drag them along if they are not willing to help themselves.

II Thessalonians 3:10

Warning against Idleness
…9 not because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example. 10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either. 11 For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies.…

As I'm not trying to provoke people but asking for a reasonable response as to what we should do about people who can't afford health insurance but need healthcare, then no, I'm not trolling.

What do we do? We encourage them and help them to better themselves. Encourage them to work and make their own way. The constitution does not grant healthcare as a right. That being said those that didnt have insurance in the past were not forgotten....they were always given emergency medical treatment.

The issue itself is that Americans are so far removed from the pain of paying for health care that we don't care. If standard market forces were in place these absurd bills would not be so commonplace. We are so far beyond a correction that I have no idea what will fix this situation but it sure as heck isn't forcing people to buy insurance they can't afford to purchase or use.

We can easily provide medical care for those who can't afford it, same as feeding them. Doing so however doesn't fit the libtard agenda of cradle to grave government care. The ones touting Obama care aren't the ones paying insurance premiums of $1900/ month either.

Exactly....under Obamacare we still have 30 million uninsured. How is that possible? It is possible because it has never been about insuring the uninsured it is simply about the government taking over another sector of our econonmy. Insurance could have been purchased for the poor at a fraction of the cost of Obamacare.

 

[5MilesBack]

Thankfully for the time being, dental insurance hasn't become mandatory.......yet. However, dental insurance is "expensive" if it isn't provided by your employer (yet still expensive to the employer). So I have no dental insurance. It is my choice as to whether I go in for dental care. My dentist wants to put a crown on one of my teeth because it has a few cracks in it. A new crown is $1000+. At this point my choice is to forego a crown, and that should be my choice. Even if it was free I might forego the crown.

It's funny though, every time I do go to the dentist or the doctor I ask them if they want a pig or side of beef for payment. Their age determines their response.

 

[Nick Muche]

Wow, the lack of empathy from some people is pretty damn amazing. I can see a lot of Roksliders are Christians but this kind of statement is probably not what Jesus would say.

He'd likely want us to pay for all of the illegal immigrants health care too.