To "Savagenut" and "real unlucky"...Thank You for some words of truth and wisdom. Our national debt under the current POTUS has run up twice the rate of the prior administrations' 8 years...now the debt is equal to over $240,000 for every US citizen. Do the search...it's there in black and white. No, I don't agree with everything the Dems want, nor do I agree blindly with what the Republicans are doing...nor do I think it honorable to gloat over so-called victories. Yes, I believe the Impeachment was rushed by the Dems...yes the Biden mess was nepotism..but to call and hold up arms shipments when a country is fighting for its life against Putin and his minions? Give me a break.
Fact checks show our current POTUS has been vaguely in the ballpark with the minority of his comments, and wildly exaggerated in the majority. I am a "fiscal conservative tree hugging conservationist" at heart. Look to your children's children and the quality of their lives when it comes to the dismantling of the EPA, the Clean Water Act, the gutting of the staffing of the National Forests, US Wildlife Refuges, USF&W Service, National Parks, BLM lands...positions are not being funded/filled to protect the public lands where most of us hunt/fish/hike/camp.
Pebble MIne and the Bristol Bay estuary... to those who live in Alaska and it's in your backyard...the richest salmon fishery in the world...has been fast-tracked by the current POTUS as the mining interests have him in their back pocket. Must we destroy everything beautiful in this world just to make another buck, while with proper management the salmon fishery will yield for innumerable generations to come?
Yes, the economy is humming, and in my opinion Mr. Trump has no qualms regarding drilling/pumping/channelizing/mining in areas that are not safe for our generation or generations to come. Look at the facts, please, and don't succumb to "ad hominem" arguments (look up the definition)...we must remain vigilant in protecting our clean air/water and our public lands. I could go on as I've posted on the TU Forum regarding the ongoing fight to keep Pebble Mine from ruining Bristol Bay...an earthquake-prone ground zero with plans for an earthen dam (are you kidding me?) to hold back millions of tons of tailings...every president including GHW Bush and GW Bush enacted the Clean Water Act to block this fiasco...but not our current POTUS. So, let us remain civil but not succumb to tribalism and ego-stroking. I am adamantly in support of capitalism and free-markets, but this little blue marble upon which we live has its limits. No, we can't control what destruction the Chinese are doing to their country (50 riverine ecosystems destroyed, for example), but as American citizens we must voice our opinions and see clearly to keep our environment safe for our future generations. Good night to all my good Rokslide associates who love to hunt/fish/hike and have clean air/water to breathe and drink...and when in West Virginia while you are hiking to the top, hopefully the mountaintop will still be there and not been blasted away as a result of the current POTUS' policies allowing leveling mountains to get the coal...
Best,
DWD
I do agree on the national debt, to a point, but what is your answer vs what he did or what has been spent on? Its easy to say he’s increased it but would you rather not rebuild or invest in our military, allow illegals to continue to flow into our country and get free care at ER’s etc. On the EPA you are only looking at one side, yes he pulled back regulations but they were way over reaching, how would you feel if the EPA fined you because you did something to a small water way in your backyard? How would you feel if it bankrupt you?
Now I don’t think we’ll all of a sudden see toxic waste being dumped into our streams and the sky isn’t falling, the EPA needed to be checked and If Congress will get off its butt they could improve on what was in place Instead of focusing on impeaching Trump.
The pumping, drilling etc has made us energy independent from the Middle East, it freaks Russia and Iran out knowing we are not dependent on Middle East oil.
Your right he shouldn’t say what the state of the union is, as it will be bragging with all the historical lows and highs we have that have improved our country quickly, unless you don’t like growth in your investment, historical lows in unemployment, wage increases for the low and middle class, security, etc.
As far as Climate change goes, show me a non biased scientist with proof, the only proof I see is that the earth has had climate change many many times over its history far before we polluted anything. We are still one of the cleanest countries in the world for our population size, but you kind of talk out both ends, not meaning this in a negative manner yet you want no debt or lower debt, yet want regulations in place that will do nothing but create huge debt, additional spending on programs for further emissions reductions, higher spending on relying on energy needs outside of our country and reduce economic growth by not competing with China because they have zero standards.
Just look at your argument, how do you pay for any of them? Yes our debt has grown but once all trade deals are in place, we become less reliable on foreign sources and develop our manufacturing growth back to pre NAFTA levels and replace/improve our infastructure such as roads, bridges, power grid and telecom networks we’ll see a decrease quickly just not in 1 or 2 years.
Now if we go back to over regulation, relying on foreign energy, allow other countries to sell us crappy goods while not buying ours or stealing our ideas, you’ll see our country get worse, but maybe we’ll have low debt.
We tried what you say for about the last 24 years and we’ve seen nothing but the debt grow and the country deteriorate, maybe it’s time we try something different. No one thought it possible for employment to be as low as it is, manufacturing could never come back, Obama laughed at Trump and said does he have a magic wand, he’s only 3 years in, in 5 years let’s see where we are at, maybe you’ll be surprise, maybe not.
All that said, if you think Trump added to the debt load look at what the 2020 dems want to do to make it grow.
