Sorry, I went through a ton of the past threads on. And did find my answer ..So I just got another pair of Tibet's after a long serch this lastwinter I searched quite a bit for a good boot that has some softer soles . And ended up right back were I started . Not that its a bad thing . Just have picky feet and the Tibet's fit like a glove but with one complaint the hard soles . I have been running super feet greans . And tried the SOLE brand .I have high arches . the Salomon insoles are great but they were out fast in my opinion and I have ran the crap out of their shoes the last two years . So any ides guys , all ears ??