Allowing your son/daughter to punch your tag? Thoughts...

[RyanT26]

It’s illegal in Kansas, that said I may or may not have been both the child and later the father in a this Scenario. Allegedly!

 

[rob86jeep]

I feel like this whole question is actually "would you help/allow your son/daughter to break the law in order to harvest a trophy animal". If it's legal, then who cares. If it's illegal, then why even entertain the thought?

 

[Goatie]

I’ve been hearing most field CO’s aren’t actually doing work in the field anymore because people usually slip up on social media.

Anyone here a Fish cop? Gotta tell us or its entrapment. Lol

Betting ol Harge gets a one in a million, totally out of the blue, random Texas sized knock on the door from fish and game this fall. Wonder if his kiddos also just so happen to get one.

 

[Ndbowhunter]

I can’t believe anyone ever speeds. The damn sign says 55mph! Why do all the tards in jacked up trucks give me the finger for going 50?? Blowing by me going 62-63mph

don’t they know that 55mph is the maximum speed allowed by law and isn’t a suggestion?

Terrible thing to teach your kids that laws don’t apply. Every time they see you exceeding the speed limit you reinforce this notion.

 

[lumis17]

Interesting question and interesting responses. Ultimately, I’d like to teach my son that the end can justify the means in some cases, but I’m not sure tagging out in a premium unit or on a trophy animal is one of them.

 

[Scottyboy]

If it’s legal, sure. But I’m making the assumption that the hypothetical question is implying that to not be the case, which i would then say no...

between this and the “will there be a elk season” thread, I’m not sure what to think or say about the next generation of hunters...my best guess, they will just hunt 24/7/365 because they were taught/shown rules and regulations don’t mean shit. Elk season might be closed? Not to me...I NEED to go and I WILL go....

 

[txhunter581]

Think about this angle: the kid is going to tell someone who tells someone whos tells someone.....

For lots of reasons: No

 

[Ratbeetle]

I can’t believe anyone ever speeds. The damn sign says 55mph! Why do all the tards in jacked up trucks give me the finger for going 50?? Blowing by me going 62-63mph

don’t they know that 55mph is the maximum speed allowed by law and isn’t a suggestion?

Terrible thing to teach your kids that laws don’t apply. Every time they see you exceeding the speed limit you reinforce this notion.

It's almost like you should be teaching your kids critical thinking skills instead of just how to be a good little rule follower. Just my opinion of course, I wouldn't attempt to tell anyone how to raise their kids.

I'm a pretty reasonable man and if the only reason I can come up with for not doing something is because some bureaucrat somewhere said "it's the law" well...

 

[bsnedeker]

This whole speeding analogy some of you are trying to pawn off is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion, those things are not even remotely on the same plane. There are degrees of breaking laws, speeding is on the absolute lowest tier, poaching is WAY up there and if you disagree with that statement just take a look at the legal and social consequences of breaking each law: going 10 MPH over the limit = small fine and nobody cares, poaching = thousands of dollars in fines, confiscation of hunting equipment, loss of hunting privileges and you become a social pariah (look for threads on Mr. Greentree on this very forum for evidence).

I think it is very cool that this is legal in Alaska and I would totally do it if I were a resident there because I'm teaching my children to follow game laws. For those of you that are knowingly teaching your children to break game laws you are putting all hunters in a bad position in my opinion. Anti-hunters think we are all poachers and indiscriminate killers already, and you are proving them right and perpetuating it into future generations of hunters.

 

[Ratbeetle]

This whole speeding analogy some of you are trying to pawn off is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion, those things are not even remotely on the same plane. There are degrees of breaking laws, speeding is on the absolute lowest tier, poaching is WAY up there and if you disagree with that statement just take a look at the legal and social consequences of breaking each law: going 10 MPH over the limit = small fine and nobody cares, poaching = thousands of dollars in fines, confiscation of hunting equipment, loss of hunting privileges and you become a social pariah (look for threads on Mr. Greentree on this very forum for evidence).

I think it is very cool that this is legal in Alaska and I would totally do it if I were a resident there because I'm teaching my children to follow game laws. For those of you that are knowingly teaching your children to break game laws you are putting all hunters in a bad position in my opinion. Anti-hunters think we are all poachers and indiscriminate killers already, and you are proving them right and perpetuating it into future generations of hunters.

So, other than being socially unacceptable and against the law...you didn't provide a single legitimate reason as to why a child should not be able to punch a parent's tag.

I'm not sayin there aren't legitimate reasons but simply saying it's the law doesn't fly with me.

The simple fact that this is legal in some states and not in others demonstrates the arbitrary nature of most laws and illustrates my point perfectly.

 

[bsnedeker]

So, other than being socially unacceptable and against the law...you didn't provide a single legitimate reason as to why a child should not be able to punch a parent's tag.

I'm not sayin there aren't legitimate reasons but simply saying it's the law doesn't fly with me.

The simple fact that this is legal in some states and not in others demonstrates the arbitrary nature of most laws and illustrates my point perfectly.

Well cool, if being against the law and socially unacceptable isn't good enough for you then by all means, break all the laws you want. Go hunt over bait in Montana, it's legal in other states. Go run whitetail with dogs wherever you want. You should probably shoot 20 does a year in every state because that's what they can do in Texas. It's all arbitrary!

 

[Ratbeetle]

Well cool, if being against the law and socially unacceptable isn't good enough for you then by all means, break all the laws you want. Go hunt over bait in Montana, it's legal in other states. Go run whitetail with dogs wherever you want. You should probably shoot 20 does a year in every state because that's what they can do in Texas. It's all arbitrary!

Honestly...it's not. I have my own moral reasons for not doing everything you have listed. You talk different levels of breaking the law yet equate killing 20 does to letting your child pull the trigger on an animal you have dead to rights and have a tag for...

I guess that's why they have to write it down.

 

[bsnedeker]

Honestly...it's not. I have my own moral reasons for not doing everything you have listed. You talk different levels of breaking the law yet equate killing 20 does to letting your child pull the trigger on an animal you have dead to rights and have a tag for...

I guess that's why they have to write it down.

I'm taking your statement that because something is legal in one state it means it's arbitrary and doesn't need to be followed to it's logical conclusion. Every state gets to set their own laws based on what their F&G department determines is legally acceptable. If you just take it on yourself to decide which game laws you are going to follow and which you are not you are a poacher and you are teaching your children to be poachers.

If you are ok teaching your kids to poach that is very disappointing to me as someone who tries my hardest to portray hunting in a positive way. We have an uphill battle to keep our hunting rights and people who perpetuate these types of practices are the exact opposite of what we need as sportsman. I noticed that you ignored that original point completely.

 

[Laramie]

No if illegal. This is a fork in the road very early for a young hunter. You can either start them off understanding that hunters are ethical and live by a code or you can teach them that rules were meant to be bent and broken to achieve a goal. That can lead to much worse things in the future. I have seen both sides of this. I promise your kids will thank you later if you teach them to follow hunting and fishing laws for the right reasons. Not because some game warden will get them in trouble but because our livelihood of hunting and fishing depends on it.

 

[Ratbeetle]

I'm taking your statement that because something is legal in one state it means it's arbitrary and doesn't need to be followed to it's logical conclusion. Every state gets to set their own laws based on what their F&G department determines is legally acceptable. If you just take it on yourself to decide which game laws you are going to follow and which you are not you are a poacher and you are teaching your children to be poachers.

If you are ok teaching your kids to poach that is very disappointing to me as someone who tries my hardest to portray hunting in a positive way. We have an uphill battle to keep our hunting rights and people who perpetuate these types of practices are the exact opposite of what we need as sportsman. I noticed that you ignored that original point completely.

No, you're not but you get 10 points for your excellent virtue signaling. You're missing the point entirely. I don't find it morally objectionable to allow a child to pull a trigger on an animal that I have a tag for. That doesn't mean I'll let it happen but by and large, my moral compass drives my decisions and not arbitrary rules on paper. YMMV.

Like it or not, in this particular instance, this regulation is 100% arbitrary. This is obviously not the case with all regulations...I would think that should be common sense.

 

[Laramie]

No, you're not but you get 10 points for your excellent virtue signaling. You're missing the point entirely. I don't find it morally objectionable to allow a child to pull a trigger on an animal that I have a tag for. That doesn't mean I'll let it happen but by and large, my moral compass drives my decisions and not arbitrary rules on paper. YMMV.

Like it or not, in this particular instance, this regulation is 100% arbitrary. This is obviously not the case with all regulations...I would think that should be common sense.

If every hunter used his/her moral compass to drive their hunting and fishing decisions instead of game laws, we would have a very big problem on our hands. Teach your kids to follow the rules. If they don't agree with the rules, teach them how to change them.

 

[bsnedeker]

No, you're not but you get 10 points for your excellent virtue signaling. You're missing the point entirely. I don't find it morally objectionable to allow a child to pull a trigger on an animal that I have a tag for. That doesn't mean I'll let it happen but by and large, my moral compass drives my decisions and not arbitrary rules on paper. YMMV.

Like it or not, in this particular instance, this regulation is 100% arbitrary. This is obviously not the case with all regulations...I would think that should be common sense.

Please, oh wise one, enlighten me on which regulations are arbitrary? It clearly isn't based on what is legal in some states and what is legal in others, so what is the criteria that you use to determine what game laws you follow and which you don't? Is it your superior moral compass? Could you put your thoughts down on paper so that we can all benefit from your wisdom?

The path that you are on is absurd. No one cares what you think is arbitrary and what you think is morally correct. This is why we have laws. If you don't like the way the law is in your state, move to another state or petition your F&G department to change the laws! You have that freedom. You do not have the freedom to decide which laws you follow and which you don't. This is how society functions. I'm sorry that as a grown adult you haven't figured that out yet, but it's true. Like it or not the laws in this country are the laws in this country. You can choose to break them, you can choose to teach your children to break them, you might even get away with it, but you are living your life by lying and teaching your children to lie. Call it virtue signalling or whatever you want to call it, ,but you are the one advocating for teaching your children to lie and by my moral compass that is wrong.

 

[roosiebull]

It would be legal here, but that’s a tough one. On one hand, I would want them to shoot if they love hunting... on the other hand it seems a little off to me without them taking the steps to “earn” that special tag.

i’m torn on this question, but something inside tells me them tagging along would be more valuable to them, seeing and learning from an outside perspective..... learning.

if you are looking for the critter, find it, pick the setup to take the shot, they may be caught up in the moment and not absorbing the lessons along the way.

I seem to do a lot of learning when I’m taking a less experienced hunter rather than me hunting, blood in the water and life is more instinctual at that time.

something tells me letting them shoot would lessen the experience a bit. Too many handouts send the wrong message and I wish people didn’t shelter their children so much, let them experience life, and learn some lessons.

tough one either way

 

[Ratbeetle]

If every hunter used his/her moral compass to drive their hunting and fishing decisions instead of game laws, we would have a very big problem on our hands. Teach your kids to follow the rules. If they don't agree with the rules, teach them how to change them.

Maybe, maybe not. Sure there are some scumbags out there (undoubtedly some of you guys think I am) but there are far more good people out there than bad.

Telling people to change laws sounds so great until you realize exactly what that process entails. And that ultimately the vast majority of laws in this country are made by appointed individuals in organizations who have no accountability to the people. Sometimes you can influence a change and sometimes you can't.

 

[Ratbeetle]

Please, oh wise one, enlighten me on which regulations are arbitrary? It clearly isn't based on what is legal in some states and what is legal in others, so what is the criteria that you use to determine what game laws you follow and which you don't? Is it your superior moral compass? Could you put your thoughts down on paper so that we can all benefit from your wisdom?

The path that you are on is absurd. No one cares what you think is arbitrary and what you think is morally correct. This is why we have laws. If you don't like the way the law is in your state, move to another state or petition your F&G department to change the laws! You have that freedom. You do not have the freedom to decide which laws you follow and which you don't. This is how society functions. I'm sorry that as a grown adult you haven't figured that out yet, but it's true. Like it or not the laws in this country are the laws in this country. You can choose to break them, you can choose to teach your children to break them, you might even get away with it, but you are living your life by lying and teaching your children to lie. Call it virtue signalling or whatever you want to call it, ,but you are the one advocating for teaching your children to lie and by my moral compass that is wrong.

I use the same criteria I use for all laws not just game laws. Does it pick anyone's pocket or break anyone's leg?

Please explain in detail, how letting a child punch a father's tag does either one of those.

Do you have any idea how many laws there are in this country and how many you most likely break on daily basis?